What to expect from me. (I thnk it's ok here, move if need be)

[MJN SEIFER]

I am going to at some point start doing some “theories” I had already thought of long ago, coupled with some new ones (possibly). However, as hinted in previous posts, some of them will already be "disproved hypotheses" (with thanks to Rubah for giving me the correct term) meaning they have already been proved wrong by new sequels, film versions and Ultimania Guides (which I have not read), but I will show you them so you can read them if you like. I am a fan of looking at theories and articles, including those that have been disproved, I am also a fan of making theories – I just never had the strength to make them in front of people.

Any theory that is no longer eligible to be “correct” will have “DH” in front of the title (for "disproved hypotheses") so you will know I am not trying to spread “false information” – but rather showing you what I initially thought, and what (non-)evidence I had to “prove” it.

For my “new” theories, debate is welcome, but please make it intelligent debates, I am willing to listen to your reasonings as to why you don’t think my theories work, and I will either counter with more evidence to back up claims or add said theory to the DH list. I hope not to get a load of “it’s just a game” and “What are you smoking?” type comments. No offence, but I won’t take peoples arguments seriously if you just make a troll like comment, but if you counter with your evidence, or just make an honest opinion that will be fine.

And if you don’t like theories at all – well, you don’t have to read them.

Looking forward to it.

[hhr1dluv]

My favorite theory, and it's certainly not something I came up with myself, is that Rikku likes Tidus in a romantic sense throughout FFX, and perhaps even in X-2. She just gives up when she sees that Yuna loves him. I've found fairly convincing evidence on the net, which I can maybe find if people care.

I am a sucker for love triangles.

[BG-57]

The early scene on the boat between Rikku and Tidus certainly made me wonder what might have been had he not been (SPOILER)whisked away across the ocean. They certainly have the most similar personalities. The game seems to toy with us that Tidus could gain affection from any of the three female leads, but in the end it just affects some cutscenes and limit breaks.

My most plausible theory is that the GF Eden if FFVIII is actually a mechanical version of a Garden, hence 'Garden of Eden'. She (yes Eden is female) has the same basic ring structure in the upper portions.

Less plausible is that the 'In the Garden Sleeps a Messenger' refers to Diablos sincer his summon is called 'Dark Messenger' and he 'sleeps' in a lamp at Balamb. But it could be just a radom puzzle.

[arcanedude34]

One of my favorite theories involves the identity of Gogo. There's a lot of different theories as to who Gogo really is. Many people believe s/he is (SPOILER)Emperor Gestahl, Banon, etc. But my personal favorite theory is that Gogo is (SPOILER)Setzer's fallen love, Darill

EDIT: Gogo (Final Fantasy VI)/Identity Speculation - The Final Fantasy Wiki has more Final Fantasy information than Cid could research Spoilers, obviously

[BG-57]

Gogo is the FF equivalent of a Rorschach test: who you think he/she is says more about you than it does about him/her.

I think the answer is since Gogo appears in FFV that he/she is simply a cameo from a previous game, much as Gilgamesh crops up again in FFVIII, FFIX, and FFXII.

[The Man]

Gogo is :rabite:learly Adlai Stevenson.

[The Crystal]

Gogo is Kefka. He used his god powers to create a copy of him(the one destroyed at the end) and disguised himself as Gogo, to spy on the party.
Now that they think Kefka is death, while the real one is still alive and knows all their secrets and weaknesses, this is the perfect moment to attack.

:Eek::Eek::Eek::Eek:

[Wolf Kanno]

Gogo is Kefka. He used his god powers to create a copy of him(the one destroyed at the end) and disguised himself as Gogo, to spy on the party.
Now that they think Kefka is death, while the real one is still alive and knows all their secrets and weaknesses, this is the perfect moment to attack.

:Eek::Eek::Eek::Eek:

Stop giving SE ideas Bad Crystal! now VI is going have to get a crappy Compilation as well. Then all the VIII fans will laugh at both the VI and VII fans who looked down on them for years for liking the emo time travel love story. Then they will get all smug that their game now makes more sense but then the VII fans will bring up R=U and then everyone will be sad

...except for the IX fans.

I'm also with BG-57, Gogo is strictly a cameo from V with Lone Wolf the Pickpocket.

[The Man]

I have tried, over the months, to convince you people to stop arguing over who Gogo is. Accept the fact that his true identity is Adlai Stevenson, former governor of Illinois and failed Democratic presidential candidate in 1952 and 1956. Here is ALL the proof, and if you need more, you're sick.

Quote #1
I am always amazed by the resistance offered to progress, even the most inocous progress. Imagine, if you will, jumping from one rickety bridge to another, with blind men running back and forth trying to push you off, and you will have some idea what legislating progress is like. The good news is that if you're pushed off, you can always climb back up and try again.
- from his book What I Think

Quote #2
I suppose I could wear a hat, but them my teeth would fall out to spite me. I could get false ones, but doubtless then I would get fat just to prove my teeth work. The easiest course is to drape my whole body in robes and shawls and hope no one recognizes my eyes.
- Commenting about his baldness to an NBC reporter in 1952.

Quote #3
President Eisenhower continues to amaze me. He appears to be an ungainly and graceless man, but when [senator Robert] Taft makes a move, no matter how ridiculous, Eisenhower copies it with the skill of [French mime] Marcel Merceau. I haven't achieved such levels of mimicry with my own party, but I'm working on it.
- 1952 interview

Quote #4
The legislature is a frightening thing. To this day the state capitol building seems to me a beast ready to swallow me up; the very walls and ceilings seem to crush you as you walk through it.
- from his book Friends and Enemies

Quote #5
Today we are plunged into a battle that is familliar to us. the enemies and the problems are the same. But the terrain is different. The world around us has changed and shifted so much we no longer recognize it.
- Giving a speech at Charlottesville, 1960

Experience Egg
Stevenson's ex-wife once wrote a book about him called The Egghead and I. In 1952, one of his campaign slogans was "Stevenson - The Experienced Candidate."

When you first meet Gogo, he says "I have been idle for too long," possibly referring to the fact that Stevenson had been dead for 30 years when FF6 came out.

A number of years ago a bill was passed regarding the transfer of funds among government-owned, government-operated (GOGO) laboratories. What was the name of this bill? The STEVENSON-Wydler Act, of course.

NOW are you convinced?

[GameMasta]

Theory: Cloud's hair has a mind of it's own, and an evil mind at that!

It is said that Cloud's hair actually controlled Sephiroth, who would control Cloud so that the hair could drain Cloud's soul more easily! All the hair desires is to rule the world (typical, I know...)

VII fans are still waiting for a game that will finally prove whether this theory is true or not.

[MJN SEIFER]

hhr1dluv, I can see what you mean about Tidus and Rikku - it would certanly make sense, and the two of them could work.

arcanedude34 and The Man, I haven't studdied Gogo yet, so don't have any particular theories on his identity, I have proof he is not Daryl though. And I have heard the Adlai Stevenson stuff before. Love it, never gets old.


Most of my theories will be looking deeper into things, suposed hidden meanings and "hints". Stuff like that. Remember though; some of these have already been proven wrong - at least suposedly. That is what the "DH" marking will before.

This is not to seek attention, well not much. I would like my theories to be read, of course I understand if you don't like them.

They won't be written here (in case you all thought they would) but rather, they will be in their appropriate forums (e.g. if it is for FFV - it will be in the FFV forum.)

[blackmage_nuke]

Are you atleast going to link them in this thread?

And i dont think the Tidus and Rikku pairing wouldve worked. Final Fantasy pairings are usually done with people who are pretty much opposites or atleast not very alike, not people who have similar personalities. Not saying this has to be the definite case, just that its generally like that.

[BG-57]

My view on in-game hints is that they are generally not that subtle, like Squall's parents or Realm's father. If the games want to show connections between characters there are generally such strong hints that you could consider them essentially canonical. It's part of the reason I don't subscribe to theories like R=U and their kin, simply because although they are possible, that's not the same as probable.

I don't think different personalities are essential to working relationships, although they are generally more interesting in fiction. I'm reminded of a scene in Bridget Jones' Diary that took the alike couples to a hilarious extreme. I'm not unhappy about Yuna and Tidus, I just disliked that the affection rating gave the illusion that you had a hand in affecting the romantic relationships.

[MJN SEIFER]

My view on in-game hints is that they are generally not that subtle, like Squall's parents or Realm's father. If the games want to show connections between characters there are generally such strong hints that you could consider them essentially canonical. It's part of the reason I don't subscribe to theories like R=U and their kin, simply because although they are possible, that's not the same as probable.

I think it depends on the writers (not just of Games but Books, TV shows, Films) some of them (probably) do put subtle things into thieir storylines - I certantly would if I was makng a game (or whatever). I am not saying that Square are like this, but this is just how I have interperetted some parts of the game (or previously did - "DH" again). Note: at least on of my Theories is a "?=U" theory, but thankfully for you it is one of my DH theories.

Are you atleast going to link them in this thread?

I might do. But bare in mind I would like the replies to be in the threads them selves. But if the admins allow me to I shall link them here. (Also bare in mind this site seams to dislike threads being "revived" so if I create/post a theory long after this thread "dies" I won't be able to link it.)

[BG-57]

I was taking it as given that we were talking about about the FF series, not other media, although I accept other SE tie-ins as canon (like Ultimania and AC).