Do you think 9/11 is a conspiracy?

[Caraliz]

OH MY GOD IT'S A GRENADE

[Spawn of Sephiroth]

This is meant to be a serious discussion

[Yar]

Then get it moved to EoEO.

[Big D]

This is meant to be a serious discussion

It's a difficult topic to have a "serious" discussion on, except for the respect that's due in addressing any tragic event. Loose Change doesn't stand up to informed scrutiny, and many of its claims are too far-fetched to be treated all that seriously.

[Jiro]

It makes perfect sense in a conspiracy theory kind of way. But the likelihood of it being truthful is minimal at best.

[Psychotic]

Then get it moved to EoEO.

We don't move threads between GC and EoEO normally. So...probably not.

No. No, I do not think that it is. I doubt the public has been told the entire truth about the incident, for security reasons, but I really cannot believe the US government would do that.

[Renmiri]

I really cannot believe the US government would do that
Some part of me clings to this belief. Even with all the bad stuff we learned about Bush approving torture, I don't want to believe any country president of a modern country would do this to his own people. Mugabe and some others in Africa, King Jo in NK yes, but here ?

Other part of me is a cynic and doesn't believe there is anything a rich power mad elite wouldn't do to get / keep power.

I like well made conspiracy theories because of that. Keeps my cynic side and my credulous side in check so I don't go too far one way or the other.

This movie is not well made though. Easy to refute. I like Zeitgeist better.

[The Man]

@ OP: Stop. Seriously, stop. You're making serious leftists look bad.

Basically, what MILF and Big D said.

[Adikoez]

No. I don't. And if you watch airplanes crash into buildings and think that that can't possibly be the reason for their collapse, then I question your sense of reality.

I agree one hundred and ten percent, and even if the collapse of the buildings wasn't due to the explosion of the impact of the planes -- what are the chances that something else made such an impact? Elves?

[The Man]

I should add that Zeitgeist is no more credible than Loose Change. They're both easily refuted and poorly made.

[Yar]

Going to dinner tonight, my brother brought this up. He said that there is no proof that a plane crashed into the Pentagon. I asked him why there was a big smurfing hole in the side of the building then.

Then he began to explain why he was neither on the "conspiracy" side or the "truth" side. My mom calling him a dumbass was beautiful.

[Big D]

No. I don't. And if you watch airplanes crash into buildings and think that that can't possibly be the reason for their collapse, then I question your sense of reality.

I agree one hundred and ten percent, and even if the collapse of the buildings wasn't due to the explosion of the impact of the planes -- what are the chances that something else made such an impact? Elves?

My brother's a civil engineer; he designs large structures for a living. The destruction of the World Trade Centre was an essential part of his university studies, because it illustrates how a vast building responds to catastrophic damage, and just how much damage it takes to make the structure fail. If the buildings were destroyed by Secret Government Bombs rather than the aircraft that hit them, then that'd mean that there's also a worldwide conspiracy to trick all engineering graduates into misunderstanding the laws of physics. And some small part of me just doesn't quite accept that.

[trancekuja]

All I can say as the third party is that I trust American government as much as I trust that Britney is a great mother now.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

The whole conspiracy idea is pretty BS. Big government is incapable of functioning that efficiently, and the as Big D mentioned, there are all kinds of independent studies that went in analyzing exactly what happened on that day. The entire idea of it being some massive conspiracy is simply asinine, plain and simple.

[Renmiri]

Ya, I'm an engineer too, so I can pretty much smell the BS in many a claim.

I didn't see a lot of refutable things in Zeitgeist's 9/11 theorioes mainly because they didn't detail the way it was done, they went for motives and who would gain for it. A lot of people DID gain from it.

But then again, gaining from a bad event is not proof of guilt. Even if you are cynic enough to believe some people wouldn't blink at killing 3,000 people in their own country, there are at least 2 other things necessary in a court of law to indicate guilt: means and opportunity.

After a long time searching for a reasonable description of how something like 9/11 could have been accomplished without anyone blabbing and with such "success" by a government that managed to turn everything they touched into , I don't think it's very plausible.

And we have so many more pressing problems to worry about, that like undeadhero says above, whether 9/11 had any help from the people who benefited from it is, at this time, irrelevant.