..Did anybody else notice they compared the graphics of Ocarina of Time (1998) to Far Cry 2 (2008) and Assassin's Creed (2007)?
Wow. This is why stupid people shouldn't be able to publish in the media.
..Did anybody else notice they compared the graphics of Ocarina of Time (1998) to Far Cry 2 (2008) and Assassin's Creed (2007)?
Wow. This is why stupid people shouldn't be able to publish in the media.
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Oh you guys.
Ocarina of Time as #1 was a pretty boring choice, and it was a bit weird to see so many old games on a best games to play today list. It makes it seem more like a best game ever list.
What it means is that it's a logical fallacy to disregard the truth of someones claims if they are biased or saying something out of self interest. It's explained pretty well here. But I wasn't disregarding the truth of your claims, merely saying it's a pointless exercise to sift through the mounds of clouded-by-hatred-for microsoft-judgment to sort out the bits that are actually worth reading from the pap.Originally Posted by Bolivar
This is all besides the point anyway, because I've played plenty of Halo 3 and I already know that you're mostly talking out of your arse. The only remotely good point you've raised so far about Halo is about the auto-aim. "all about grenade and meleeing" hhahahahahah
Yeah you listed a whole bunch of games supposedly better than Halo 3, whilst only mentioning one which might actually qualify (CoD4). If you're going to claim that there's something wrong with Halo you might want to actually come back with some great FPS games like Half-Life 2 or Team Fortress 2 or Deus Ex, instead of fanboy bollockery like Resistance 2 and Quantum of God Damn Solace.
If you're going to say that Halo fans are ignorant of FPS heritage and history you should probably not do it at someone who has been playing the genre for as long as I have. Can you tell me why Geo-Mod never took off? Can you write a paper about the implications and validity of JFK Reloaded? Can you fire off FOUR cerebral bores before the first one hits and makes targeting that bad guy impossible? I doubt it, given that you mentioned a bunch of games which are exactly what you claim Halo 3 is, and aside from CoD, didn't mention anything that's actually worth remembering after you finish playing it.
Sorry, but I felt it was reasonable to take my reasoning "having entirely no meaning" and you having "little faith" in my "reasoning" as being analogous to disregarding the truth-value of my statements. If you feel that's a reach, then I apologize.What it means is that it's a logical fallacy to disregard the truth of someones claims if they are biased or saying something out of self interest. It's explained pretty well here. But I wasn't disregarding the truth of your claims, merely saying it's a pointless exercise to sift through the mounds of clouded-by-hatred-for microsoft-judgment to sort out the bits that are actually worth reading from the pap.
This is all besides the point anyway, because I've played plenty of Halo 3 and I already know that you're mostly talking out of your arse. The only remotely good point you've raised so far about Halo is about the auto-aim. "all about grenade and meleeing" hhahahahahah
It doesn't change the fact that you completely misinterpreted one of my statements to get to that part.
On topic:
Everyone I know who is a top player at Halo mixes in strategies of resource-domination tied in with grenade and melee combinations for specific encounters. I understand if that's not what you guys do, but like I said, the best players I know all use that as their strategy. From my own experience, shooting actually seems comparatively ineffective.
Battle rifle.
I don't know who you play with but none of them can be very good at Halo. Melee encounters were never a good idea thanks to the shiet timing system that meant there was no guarantee you would win an encounter even if you hit first and had more health. Now they've tweaked it, and going in for a melee attack will more often than not result in you dying along with your opponent in a "Double KO". Meleeing works up to about rank 5 in Lone wolves and beyond that you will get beaten badly. Going into even a lone wolves game with rank 30 people and trying to melee your way through it will end up with you getting severely raped. Going into any of the top rated players on the bungie stats pages and their number one weapon will be the Battle Rifle by a massive distance, followed by the sniper rifle most likely. Also, I am pretty sure 95% of the halo community consider people who abuse melee attacks to be nothing but nubs, and as such most people seem to specifically distance themselves from using it. As stupid as this practice is, it occurs and is a pretty large theme throughout the halo community. I really don't know where you get the idea this is a prevalant tactic in halo from.
Also, grenades have almost no effect on halo. The only maps where Grenades have any real say in the matters are Construct and Valhalla. Construct is the only map where grenades play a large part in your offense. Valhalla is only useful because 70% of halo players are too stupid to realise that jumping off a giant launcher that drops you in the same place over and over again without being able to change course means that you're easy targets for grenades. Apart from that, it's almost impossible to get killed by frag grenades because to catch someone around a corner you need ridiculous timing and good placement, because unless you get them as they are stepping around all you have to do is walk backwards and that's the end of that. Using grenades in any sort of one on one situation is only viable when they can't see you, because if they can you're asking to die. I absolutely adore people who love using grenades on halo. Throwing a grenade essentially gives you two seconds where your character can't do anything. Two BR shots on that unable to react character and you've won, every time. Stick grenades are useful weapons for combatting vehicles and if you get yourself stuck then you're either moving like an idiot, or the person who stuck you threw well and you have to take your hat off to them.
Yes and yes.
Do you know who MLG are, Bolivar? They're professional gamers. They're also tits of the highest order, but they are extremely good at what they do. They never, ever do what you just described. They shoot, and believe you me, it is damn effective. As for grenades, they're a defensive weapon. You use them if being chased with low health to buy you time to flee. Using them as an offensive weapon is just going to get you shot.
Thanks, DK, for providing some insight on the discussion, that's all very interesting. And I have to admit that the last time I played the game myself was many months ago before the mechanics tweaking you talked about.
But I decided to go to the bungie.net site and look at the MVP's for games going on right now. It seems like a lot of them have Melee as either their top 1 or 2 weapon.
Bungie.net : Halo 3 Career Stats
Bungie.net : Halo 3 Career Stats
Bungie.net : Halo 3 Career Stats
Bungie.net : Halo 3 Career Stats
Bungie.net : Halo 3 Career Stats
Bungie.net : Halo 3 Career Stats
Granted, I definitely saw a lot of players with stats like you guys mentioned, Battle & Sniper rifles at top, and these listed players aren't the cream of the crop. You should keep in mind that I saw this as a prevalent tactic when I played, and it seems like alot of players utilize it now. I'm not suggesting it's the only way that's played, or the best, but its prevalence and, from what it looks like, effectiveness turns me off as an FPS fan.
Maybe I'm using these wrong, but Halo's shortcomings as an FPS aren't limited to their grenade and melee mechanics. The gun handling, aiming, and shooting effects are all inferior to the list of games from the last 2 year I mentioned in one of my previous posts. I also agree with Dreddz that the level design, campaigns, story and characters range from uninspired to annoying.
Yes and yes.
Do you know who MLG are, Bolivar? They're professional gamers. They're also tits of the highest order, but they are extremely good at what they do. They never, ever do what you just described. They shoot, and believe you me, it is damn effective. As for grenades, they're a defensive weapon. You use them if being chased with low health to buy you time to flee. Using them as an offensive weapon is just going to get you shot.
You've never talked to an 'MLG' person on the Bungie forums, have you?
Generally, the BR is all they're good at because they refuse to use any other weapons because doing so is 'noobish'. Stupid bullif you ask me. That being said, they're ridiculously good with the BR.
And yes, grenades are defensive but effective. Take Orbital or Narrows, for example. That place is a freaking grenadefest, and if you can dodge them all, then you sir are a better player than I.
As for Halo 3 being called the best FPS of this generation, I'll have to reluctantly agree. I enjoy the CoD system of online ranking more, but like an abused lover, I keep coming back to Halo 3's matchmaking. I hate the people who play it, but that hate makes the kills feel that much more satisfying. As much as I'll make fun of it, I really do enjoy Halo. I couldn't give a
As for the rest of the list, seeing Robotron 2084 on the list made me beam a little. Such a fun game. Same for Puzzle Bobble and Disgaea. <3
But why, dear god, WHY is R-Type Final on that list when there are so many other shmups that outdo it in awesomeness? Has the guy who made this list even played games like DoDonPachi, Gunbird 2, Mushihime-sama, or even Mars Matrix or Giga Wing?
The sheer number of Final Fantasy and Zelda games on the list shows a shocking lack of variety. Final Fantasy isn't the only good RPG (and frankly, I don't like any of the ones mentioned aside from FFVI) and Zelda isn't always that great either. Maybe I'm just jaded.
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"... and so I close, realizing that perhaps the ending has not yet been written."
Haha, that is so true. I've always wondered how to best describe his hair, but the best I've come up with is roadkill. I was kinda close, though.
edit: wtf at three people posting at the same time. EoFF is supposed to go through a dry spell right now you guys geez.
See, looking at individual games doesn't tell the whole story though. The first guy you linked, for instance, meebly. Yes, his stats indicate that he does abuse meleeing a lot. They also show, however, that in Ranked games his K/D ratio is 0.90, meaning he's died more times than he's killed people. From the looks of it, he's killed 2300 odd people and died 2600 times. Whichever way you look at it, the lad is crap at halo. The second person you linked had a BR as his top rated weapon by miles, and the third was...well, an anomaly really. Can honestly say i've never seen a person with that many assault rifle kills before. A Colonel as well xD What a hero. But yeah. Take someone like RippinHeads for example, he's rated as one of the best players in the game and BR is far and away his most used weapon. His Melee count is just a little higher than other close ranged weapons like the shotgun. It should also be noted that a large percentage of melee kills will come from close range encounters like this, for example if you attempt to shotgun someone and are just a little too far away from them for the damage to be instant kill, it's better to melee afterwards to kill them as you're in range, as it comes out quicker than waiting for the next shell to pump into the chamber. Overall you can see that he averages 19 kills a game and averages 2 melee kills a game, so it's not a very big part of his gameplan and as mentioned he is a highly rated player.
I should probably make it clear as well that I'm not exactly a Halo 3 lover, my list of gripes with the game is endless and almost every session we play usually includes me describing exactly what I'd like to do to certain members of the bungie development team for their idiocy. The campaign is crap, the story is a load of horse
In fact, my biggest gripe with Halo gameplay is when Bungie ruins the experience with
Narrows is a grenadefest but it's an obvious one and it's pretty pointless. Everyone lobs grenades over the middle and you know it's coming. There's not a lot you can do about it in some cases but it doesn't really matter because people throw them from so far away an there's so much cover that you can recover pretty easily almost anywhere on the map. Alternatively you could go downstairs 'cause hardly anyone goes down there after the sniper rifle/rockets go at the start.
For what it's worth I found the melee in Halo 3 incredibly annoying. Here I was running around shooting people and all the time someone would come out of nowhere, punch me once, and I'd be dead. I could take many bullets before I died though, just didn't make much sense to me. I'm not a fan of shooters though, and I've only played one session of Halo 3.
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