You guys are acting as if Edge is any sort of authoratative informer in the gaming industry - they're just a mediocre magazine with mediocre journalism.
You guys are acting as if Edge is any sort of authoratative informer in the gaming industry - they're just a mediocre magazine with mediocre journalism.
"... and so I close, realizing that perhaps the ending has not yet been written."
Actually Omecle, I was just responding to some blatant sony fanboy crap which blames Halo for all Sony's woes. Lets be fair The PS3 has the graphical capacity, it has the format win (blu-ray) it has the best hard-drive if you exclude the 360 elite. However here is where Sony fails: Online. Sorry guys but the PSN is free yes but it's also highly unstable and not as efficient as the Xbox Live network. As with most internet things; you get what you pay for. When you pay for the servers you end up with a better service and those complaining about £39.99 for a year + 1 month free is less than £4 a month. It also fails to give up some truly epic in house/exclusive games. Killzone 2 is good but so far it's not showing Halo 3 up in much same goes for a lot of the other exclusives. The real differences could have been made with titles such as Final Fantasy XIII however thats not an exclusive anymore.
Now about the top 100 games, excluding Halo 3 as I've said my part on this:
There are so many fantastic games out there not on this list, Star Ocean, Breath of Fire, Jade Cocoon, Front Mission 3, Fable (which is imho better than fable 2 though fable 2 is bigger) KOTOR, Suidoken (I only own IV but it's fantastic fun with a good mix of strategy, action and traditional rpg elements for combat = win) Spyro or Crash for platformers, Tomb Raider, Mass Effect, Ace Combat, Dead or Alive, Tekken, my god I can keep going all bloody day. And mostly these are latest generation games, if I go right the way back to the late 80s and early 90s when I first began gaming then I'd possibly do 200+ titles which deserve to be in the list.
At the end of the day what are Edge basing their choices on? Is it sales figures? if so thats a pretty bad way to decide this, was it publicly voted for? If so where, when and can you trust the results of an internet poll? Especially when some people are so intent on causing a massive disruption, need I remind people of the quest which failed to make Rick Astley the christmas number 1? That was nigh on impossible, affecting the outcome of a poll on Edge Magazine's website is a lot easier. Or was it merely personal choices of their staff did they go around and say: "hey name a great game" to 100 of their staff and then decide randomly/editorial choice of whose game is better. I just feel they made some crap decisions in there but mostly the right choices are made it's just the ordering they've done makes no sense I also disagree with so many mario spin offs or titles being there same with zelda and GTA. 3+ titles from any one series is too many when you're doing just 100 games because lets face it. Unless you're 12 you won't love every mario game out there. I personally hate the fat red dungareed plumber with a vengance which is why I will NEVER own a wii myself.
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Deus Ex is indeed one of the greatest games of all time but aesthetically the game is quite ugly. Even for 2000 it was ugly. But a well story story, exceptional soundtrack and brilliant game design makes the game timeless. Top 10? Deserves to be number 1.Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
I can understand where your coming from but FFXII did so may things people overlook. How abouts its gameplay and its willingness to go places where other JRPG's would never go. Even with its lame story, weak music and straightforward license board system the game still juggled the real-time gameplay and gambit system into a very strategic and fun gameplay experience which the series had overlooked for far too long by that point.25 - FFXII - Really. This, and no FFX? I've only failed to finish two FFXIs that came after V - IX and XII. IX was because I'm :bou::bou::bou::bou: at it. XII is because I completely lost interest. FFX is pretty much the perfect FF - enganging, in an interesting and original world, with diverse and believable characters (Yuna's a Mary-Sue, sure. Because the entire world raised her to be one.) and, let's not forget, by far the best combat system in any FF, the best levelling system, and the best array of bonus content. In few other games can I feel the wind on my face when I close my eyes. And those FMVs are truly timeless - but then I remember truly gorgeous cutscenes from every FF that has them, except for FFXII.
I take it your against the original Half Life. Care to explain? I prefer it over Half Life 2 but can't argue with Half Life 2 being so high because that game is incredible also. I think the original Half Life is getting quite overlooked these days.Half-Life 2 - This one wasn't a surprise. At least it's not the original though; at least this one DESERVES the praise it gets, even if not to the degree it gets it.
I had you as one of the clever and mature ones but I was clearly wrong. You claim your responding to "blatant Sony fanboy crap" and then respond with even more "blatant Xbox fanboy crap". And your arguement is what, Online? Exclusives? What is this, 2007? Next time come with better points that haven't be void for over a year now.
I have to disagree. I think this list stinks but I've always found Edge's reputation to be fairly well deserved. As long as you don't look at the review numbers, and actually read the articles.
I guess it's just personal then. I don't think the graphics are 'good' but I think they work exceptionally well.Deus Ex is indeed one of the greatest games of all time but aesthetically the game is quite ugly. Even for 2000 it was ugly. But a well story story, exceptional soundtrack and brilliant game design makes the game timeless. Top 10? Deserves to be number 1.
I agree that FFXII deserves a lot of credit for trying something new and which, I admit, worked reasonably well. But I'd have rather they gave us a generic battle system (Because for me, 'generic' in FF terms means 'goddamn genius' next to almost anything elseI can understand where your coming from but FFXII did so may things people overlook. How abouts its gameplay and its willingness to go places where other JRPG's would never go. Even with its lame story, weak music and straightforward license board system the game still juggled the real-time gameplay and gambit system into a very strategic and fun gameplay experience which the series had overlooked for far too long by that point.25 - FFXII) and actually worked on the story and characters. The only FFXII characters I care about at all are Penelo, Balthier, and Larsa. And I care about pretty much everyone in FFX, down to bit-part characters like Belgemine, way more than anyone in FFXII. And I do find the battle system rather flawed in several ways - the regularity with which one has to cast buffs, for instance.
I realize I'm pretty much on my own on this one, but I thought the original HL was massively, massively overrated. I never got a single bit of the hype, it was a fairly generic shooter which didn't do anything especially engaging or enjoyable. And I still disagree vehemently with the choice to make Gordon Freeman a non-entity, but that's a discussion for another thread.I take it your against the original Half Life. Care to explain? I prefer it over Half Life 2 but can't argue with Half Life 2 being so high because that game is incredible also. I think the original Half Life is getting quite overlooked these days.Half-Life 2 - This one wasn't a surprise. At least it's not the original though; at least this one DESERVES the praise it gets, even if not to the degree it gets it.
Iceglow - Agreed with several of the games you listed as deserving a spot. Also you should pick up Suikoden III or better yet V - IV is by a considerable margin the worst in the series
I was actually happy that buffs were actually worth your time in FFXII. In some of the past games, I found that "Green Magic" was more or less a waste of time and MP. In FFXII, it actually became useful. That being said, I only tended to use them later on when I got the area-effect ones. Even then it was predominantly in boss/mark fights.I agree that FFXII deserves a lot of credit for trying something new and which, I admit, worked reasonably well. But I'd have rather they gave us a generic battle system (Because for me, 'generic' in FF terms means 'goddamn genius' next to almost anything else
To get back to your original bait: well, when you put it like that, I can understand where you're coming from. OoT obviously suffers from the problems of early 3D level design where it relies on simple/convenient geometrical shapes and gameplay in encounters and boss battles can suffer. I would say that it makes it seem more unimaginative by today's standards, as opposed to unplayable though. And I think I'd actually have to agree on your LttP->OoT/2D->3D comment, despite the fact that it's caused global warfare between us when applied to the Final Fantasy series.
I hate to start a flamewar after seeing what happened with Halo, but I think we can discuss the facts rationally and apply it to the topic.I had you as one of the clever and mature ones but I was clearly wrong. You claim your responding to "blatant Sony fanboy crap" and then respond with even more "blatant Xbox fanboy crap". And your arguement is what, Online? Exclusives? What is this, 2007? Next time come with better points that haven't be void for over a year now.
Iceglow, this is clearly a rare moment where you're uninformed. I think it's a matter of public record that PS3 had more and more notable exclusives last year in 2008 than possibly any other system, and does again this year.
This leads over to the discussion, since I think Valkyria Chronicles and Little Big Planet are clearly highly praised, highly addicting games that could at least beat out SingStar or Peggle. On a personal note, VC is absolutely one of my favorite SRPG's of all time.
Also, I think any of the first 3 Shining Force games should have at least secured a place. The writers obviously haven't played much Sega, either.
I was 10 years old when I got the game, and within a week I had accomplished everything at 100%. Sure one or two levels were a pain in the butt, but they weren't what I would classify as difficult. They're basically identical to "difficult" on half of today's games. Cheap.
This list doesn't really matter that much, and I don't care if people disagree. I don't agree with probably 50 of the games on there, doesn't make me any more or less right than someone else.
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I work for HMV it's a matter of pride and needing to know because it's my job for me to know the games out I see the ps3 and 360 exclusives in the last year and lined up for release and tbh very little from either side is grabbing my attention. The ps3 possibly edges out in some regards but a notable exclusive isn't much unless you are in posession of all major consoles and play every exclusive title to compare with, 360, ps3 and wii.I hate to start a flamewar after seeing what happened with Halo, but I think we can discuss the facts rationally and apply it to the topic.I had you as one of the clever and mature ones but I was clearly wrong. You claim your responding to "blatant Sony fanboy crap" and then respond with even more "blatant Xbox fanboy crap". And your arguement is what, Online? Exclusives? What is this, 2007? Next time come with better points that haven't be void for over a year now.
Iceglow, this is clearly a rare moment where you're uninformed. I think it's a matter of public record that PS3 had more and more notable exclusives last year in 2008 than possibly any other system, and does again this year.
This leads over to the discussion, since I think Valkyria Chronicles and Little Big Planet are clearly highly praised, highly addicting games that could at least beat out SingStar or Peggle. On a personal note, VC is absolutely one of my favorite SRPG's of all time.
Also, I think any of the first 3 Shining Force games should have at least secured a place. The writers obviously haven't played much Sega, either.
Now, to be honest looking at all 3 major formats (excluding pc's deliberately) PS3 is the best possible choice for those interested in Blu-ray and also in HD gaming and it has the option of free internet gaming and also some great games, even though being difficult to code for means some games (e.g. fallout 3) need patching on day of release for PS3 which more often than not is not needed on the 360. As to if it's the most powerful on the market it and the 360 overall in terms of output games wise I'd say is pretty similar, nothing exclusive really outshines anything the other console can put out exclusively and thats where the comparisson lines really are drawn. The PS3 is a must for anyone who wants a 3rd gen console and a Blu-ray player for their room without having tons of machines over the place. (think on it, if they have the SKY+ HD machine and a console and then a blu-ray player that would be 3 machines to fit in and around their TV. A PS3 removes the need for one of those machines. Even I will be getting one of these eventually so I can play KZ2, MGS4, FFXIII Versus and some other exclusive titles I've kept an eye on.
Wii, whilst entirely too gimmicky and tacky for my personal liking is great for the kids and the people who don't have the time to sit there playing games seriously. It offers the most accessible gaming options and quite possibly the best party game soloution. It however although appearing cheap because the console itself is now available to buy for just under £175 including wii sports and a second wii remote and wii play it is actually probably the most expensive console. Nintendo were clever, the controllers if they wear out are in 2 parts, remote and nunchuck, the remote is £32.99 and the nunchuck is £19.99 (I sold 4 wii bundles today hence I know this off the top of my head) compare a wired 360 control pad costs around £21.99 and a Wireless is £30 ish. Add in to this the many extra "accessories" which whilst not essential will help make the games easier to control these are often sold for around £5 - £10 in the long run you spend more on the Wii than any other console.
The 360, yes I own one and yes I really enjoy gaming on it. However it too has it's serious flaws, the main one ofcourse, the red ring of death I've been lucky and not seen it first hand but I've experienced random freezing on games. I could list all the reasons why I love the 360 but suffice to say in terms of multiplayer console gaming the 360 really does win over the ps3. The number of players supported by the games servers depends really on whether the game studio is providing it's own servers and connections linked in to the greater shell of their formats gaming network.
So for now I'm happy with my 360.
I could not agree with you more on this one.
This, I completely disagree with you cause I feel the complete opposite about FFX. I feel XII deserves its spot and X should not be on any lists with "Greatest" in the title unless its followed by "Disappointment". Granted, I'm not saying XII is some vision of perfection, I have my own issues with the title but the unparalleled world design and its daring innovation puts it far above X. XII was a different experience, X was an accumulation of the series with a few steps back. This of course is just my opinion.25 - FFXII - Really. This, and no FFX? I've only failed to finish two FFXIs that came after V - IX and XII. IX was because I'mat it. XII is because I completely lost interest. FFX is pretty much the perfect FF - enganging, in an interesting and original world, with diverse and believable characters (Yuna's a Mary-Sue, sure. Because the entire world raised her to be one.) and, let's not forget, by far the best combat system in any FF, the best levelling system, and the best array of bonus content. In few other games can I feel the wind on my face when I close my eyes. And those FMVs are truly timeless - but then I remember truly gorgeous cutscenes from every FF that has them, except for FFXII.
I can only hope I live to see that day.1 - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - One day, someone is going to make a list of the best games ever. On that day, that list will not have OoT in the top position. Not in the top 3, not even in the top 5. On the day this happens, there will be a list of greatest games ever that actually says something interesting. (One day, will there be a list which puts Suikoden II in the top spot? I doubt it. But what is a man, if not a dreamer?)
I completely agree about the lack of Suikoden love, I cannot fathom why people overlook this series.And where, finally, is Mass Effect? Where is Dwarf Fortress, surely the most interesting game of the last few years? Where is TimeSplitters? Where is Europa Universalis III and its vast scope, its ahistorical genius? Where is the flawed, yet superb, Mount & Blade? Where is Star Ocean 2, easily one of the best JRPGs ever made? Where are Suikoden II, III, V? Where on God's good Earth is Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri?
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I'm also dumbfounded by Persona 3 or 4 not making the list... As well as Okami. I agree that TP got a bit of the shaft as well.
No, we're just tearing the list apart out of boredom. Its fun and well... we're bored. I feel you missed the point cause I'm sure most of us don't really give a rats ass about Edge's opinion. Still, analyzing the mindset of an editorial publication can be fun.
To Bolivar: we will always have our arguments concerning the transition of 2D to 3D on FF but at least they are always fun...As for Zelda, I feel a bit stronger about this game as well as Fighting games cause I felt it was a bit unfair that good 2D games were overlooked cause they were not utilizing the current rage in the gaming community. I will give that VII has aged better than many of the games from that transitional era.
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I don't like the list. I just find it to have too many great games too high up. That being said, it's only my opinion and I haven't played a lot of them.
Halo 3 isn't crap. I enjoy it, but I don't think it's so fabulous a gold statue should be made. Each to their own, but try not to force your opinion on other people.
Also, I'm kinda sick of seeing OoT at the top. It was great for it's time, but surely something else has surpassed it?
They had RR4 in there, so that makes up for any problems I may or may not have with the rest of the list.
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Where is the love for Rollercoaster Tycoon you guys
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The fact that they mentioned Thief II at all makes me extremely happy. Sure I disagree with the majority of the placements, but I'd be no less a subjective judge of the "100 Greatest Games to Play Today". My lack of Sega consoles gaming (looking to get a Dreamcast soon though!) and overall preference toward PC and Nintendo games would likely piss of a good number of the posters in this thread. Still, even putting subjectivity aside, I wish there were more games not in the 2005-2009 window.
But eh, whatcha gonna do?
EDIT:Maybe you went back and noticed, but Little Big Planet is sitting comfortably at #11. Just wanted to point that out there. No sign of Valkyria Chronicles though.
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