Is Vayne Solidor evil?

[the AJman]

I thought this would be an interesting topic, I have heared people say before that they don't consider Vayne to be evil, and some say that he isn't really the main antaganist. I though a debate about whether he is evil or not would be interesting, so here it is.

I know I usually take a back seat in most of the topics I make, but this time I think I'll play a slightly bigger part, so I'll start off.

I personally believe Vayne is evil, as evil as any power hungry dictator can be. I believe the difference between Vayne and someone like Ex-Death is that Vayne constantly justifies his actions to the characters in the game. Vayne is a villian that doesn't at all see himself as a villian or a bad guy. This gives the impression that what he is doing is for the good of mankind, but the methods he uses to achieve his goals are certainly less than noble.

So the floor is open.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

I was willing to accept that Vayne might have been ambiguously righteous right up until he (SPOILER)started screaming and turned into a giant hulked-out demon monster at the end.

[Quindiana Jones]

That's a dead giveaway, really.

[Marky Tee]

i think he was on a noble and righteous quest

[Namelessfengir]

he was the second coming and morons ended him before his work was complete!!!! the end is nigh!!!!!!!!

[Cyric]

He looks almost identical to Laguna Loire....

[Marky Tee]

lol i had never noticed that efore

[Namelessfengir]

lol i had never noticed that before

.... you didn't????

[Bolivar]

I put it like this: if you think the main point of a Yasumi Matsuno game is that there is no black & white, then you are a Matsuno character stuck inside one of his games.

Nearly all of the Ivalice stories chronicle how the protagonists are able to rise above and transcend the moral ambiguity that dominates their setting.

I suppose you could argue that Vayne is simply a product of the harsh environment he is apart of. And he obviously does believe in the strong have the will to power type philosophy of power politics, and that he thinks that is best. But being caught up in that is his sin, he's unable to see through the fog on his blind quest for power.

It's really sad at the end when (SPOILER)you see all the characters when they're younger and you think about how they were to become or the things that would happen to them

[Depression Moon]

It's really sad at the end when (SPOILER)you see all the characters when they're younger and you think about how they were to become or the things that would happen to them

Younger? I don't remember that. I thought it showed them maybe a few months later.

I was willing to accept that Vayne might have been ambiguously righteous right up until he (SPOILER)started screaming and turned into a giant hulked-out demon monster <noscript>&lt;span class=&quot;spoiler&quot;&gt; started screaming and turned into a giant hulked-out demon monster&lt;/span&gt;</noscript> at the end.

[Shattered Dreamer]

To be honest I don't think evil really fits Vayne he struck me as more misguided a guy so caught up in his own ambition he fails to see the right and wrong in a situation, an egomaniac!

[Sefie1999AD]

I didn't really consider Vayne to be the main villain until (SPOILER)you raid Bahamut. "Misguided" would probably describe him better than "evil". I forgot, did he commit any major atrocities during the game?

[Marky Tee]

.... you didn't????


nope sorry aha

he kinda reminded me of Cao Pi from dynasty warriors 5 a little bit though

[DarkMateria]

I didn't really consider Vayne to be the main villain until (SPOILER)you raid Bahamut. "Misguided" would probably describe him better than "evil". I forgot, did he commit any major atrocities during the game?

I believe (SPOILER)he ordered the judges to destryo Mt. Bur-omisace and kill the grand kiltias. Sounds like an atrocity to me.

[black orb]

I personally believe Vayne is evil, as evil as any power hungry dictator can be.
Vayne constantly justifies his actions to the characters in the game.

Vayne is a villian that doesn't at all see himself as a villian or a bad guy.

This gives the impression that what he is doing is for the good of mankind, but the methods he uses to achieve his goals are certainly less than noble..

>>> Dude, thats the worst kind of evil.
Vayne is like a handsome version of Adolf Hitler..