Questions for those hardcore FFX fans.

[Gloc 9]

Well, number 1, i was wondering, what are you guy's takes on the whole Zanarkand thing? Do you believe theres two? Or do you think Tidus teleported 1000 years into the future? Im a believer of the 2 Zanarkand's theory. Just because on the map there is another island and Sin probably just transported Tidus to the main lands and not 1000 years into the future.

2. What is the whole connection with the blitzball prayer in the beginning of the game at Besaid? Tidus said it was a blitzball symbol for victory, and didnt recognize it as a Spira prayer. But it seems like that prayer has been around for awhile in Spira. I say this because maybe i was wondering if Jecht taught them that, but that would only be 10 years and the Head Besaid Priest seemed to have known the prayer for more than 10 years im sure. Or maybe it jst so happens to be a coincidence in motion. IDK.

Any thoughts? Suggestions? Thanks Alot

[G13]

Have you finished the game? You should know this stuff if you have.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

1. It has been establish that Tidus came from the dream of the Fayth. The specifically; the Fayth dreamt of Zanarkand of a millennium ago. Tidus' Zanarkand is only a memory--a dream--of what once was. The Zanarkand you visit in the game is the actual place.

2. The Yevon Prayer being a Blitzball sign for victory was never clearly explained, as far as I remember. Most likely the Yevonites adopted the gesture due to the popularity of blitzball. It is not uncommon for religions to adopt various parts of secular life or other religions in order to ease the conversion into their own. That's my educated guess.

[G13]

It was a prayer before it was a sign for victory. The Fayth dreamt up this Zanarkand, so they can make anything whatever they want it to be, i.e. a prayer gesture becomes a sign for victory. Yevon isn't known about in the dream Zanarkand but his teachings were present nevertheless.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

It was a prayer before it was a sign for victory. The Fayth dreamt up this Zanarkand, so they can make anything whatever they want it to be, i.e. a prayer gesture becomes a sign for victory. Yevon isn't known about in the dream Zanarkand but his teachings were present nevertheless.

We don't know for sure what the real Zanarkand was like, we can't say if it is was always a prayer or not. Plus, Tidus' Zanarkand while fictional was nonetheless based on the real thing, making it likely that it was a sign for victory first. Moreover, Yevon, the religion, is only founded after the creation of Sin and the Fayth thus its teachings could not be present in Dream Zanarkand since the religion was a constructed after Yu Yevon made Sin and the others became Fayths.

[trancekuja]

Hardcore FF X fans truly exist!?:Eek:

[Mirage]

Yes. Dream Zanarkand is/was actually a real physical location. Think of the city as a gigantic aeon with thousands of small aeons living on it, minus all the super powers of regular aeons. All of it had actual physical mass, constructed from the summoning done by the many fayths in mount Gagazet. This is why it was possible for some of the summoned "aeons" (Tidus and Jecht) to leave "Dream Zanarkand" and come in contact with the rest of Spira.

[Elly]

Mirage is correct, though i wouldn't go so far as to call the inhabitants of DZ akin to Aeons, but rather a physical manifestation of what the Fayth wanted... also the FFX Ultimania points out the physical location of DZ, far east of Real Zanarkand...

[Stecloud]

Mirage is correct, though i wouldn't go so far as to call the inhabitants of DZ akin to Aeons, but rather a physical manifestation of what the Fayth wanted... also the FFX Ultimania points out the physical location of DZ, far east of Real Zanarkand...

I didn't know that. Thank you

[G13]

It was a prayer before it was a sign for victory. The Fayth dreamt up this Zanarkand, so they can make anything whatever they want it to be, i.e. a prayer gesture becomes a sign for victory. Yevon isn't known about in the dream Zanarkand but his teachings were present nevertheless.

We don't know for sure what the real Zanarkand was like, we can't say if it is was always a prayer or not. Plus, Tidus' Zanarkand while fictional was nonetheless based on the real thing, making it likely that it was a sign for victory first. Moreover, Yevon, the religion, is only founded after the creation of Sin and the Fayth thus its teachings could not be present in Dream Zanarkand since the religion was a constructed after Yu Yevon made Sin and the others became Fayths.

It may have been a sign for victory first, but why would a religion adopt a sports gesture as their prayer sign? The Fayth were people who gave up their lives for a way to defeat Sin [I]for their religion[I]. If Yu Yevon and his teachings came after Sin had appeared then there would be no Sin. No creator, no Sin.

Furthermore, if Yevon started his teachings after Sin appeared, no one would have believed what he was saying. For all they knew it could have just been some sort of freak fiend. After a while, not being able to kill it they would have started believing him I'm sure, but it makes more sense (to me) that the teachings have always been around. It's like a boogey-man story, "Stop using Machina or Sin'll get you! Oh look I was right, here comes Sin now!". He's got his priest's and priestess' and when Sin actually shows "himself", then the rest of the world starts believing and repenting and whatnot.

To go all the way back to my first point, I would think that it was a prayer first because (after saying all that above) the Fayth were Yu Yevon's priests and priestess' who sacrificed themselves to fight Sin, so it would make sense to incorporate the prayer to ward off Sin (Just speculation mind you) in the new world they have created.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Because it is not uncommon for religions to adopt local customs when trying to win over new converts. Look at a majority of Christian imagery, major holidays or the veneration of the Virgin Mary. So much of that has pagan roots. Why did the church adopt aspects of local "pagan" practises, because it is easier to win over new converts. Same logic.

Actually, Sin is a creation of the Fayth and Yu Yevon. Yevon, the religion, was established by Yunalesca. The Fayth were simply the people of Zanarkand who gave up their lives to create the Dream Zanarkand. So the religion, according to the game, really only sets roots after the creation of Dream Zanarkand and Sin. NOT before. Yevon religion revolves around Sin and is basically a cover up to glorify Yu Yevon's actions. That is why Yevon doesn't exist as it did in X in X-2 because Sin is no longer there. The central aspect of Yevon, that by following the Yevon religion one day Sin will be gone, become moot with the success of High Summoner Yuna.

The game does not support the existence of Yevon before the war between Zanarkand and Bevelle (Summoners and machina). History was simply rewritten by the victors, the summoners.

[Mirage]

Mirage is correct, though i wouldn't go so far as to call the inhabitants of DZ akin to Aeons, but rather a physical manifestation of what the Fayth wanted... also the FFX Ultimania points out the physical location of DZ, far east of Real Zanarkand...

They're made of the same stuff, and made in the same way! In that they're the same. They haven't got superpowers though, and don't have to do someones bidding.

[G13]

Because it is not uncommon for religions to adopt local customs when trying to win over new converts. Look at a majority of Christian imagery, major holidays or the veneration of the Virgin Mary. So much of that has pagan roots. Why did the church adopt aspects of local "pagan" practises, because it is easier to win over new converts. Same logic.

Actually, Sin is a creation of the Fayth and Yu Yevon. Yevon, the religion, was established by Yunalesca. The Fayth were simply the people of Zanarkand who gave up their lives to create the Dream Zanarkand. So the religion, according to the game, really only sets roots after the creation of Dream Zanarkand and Sin. NOT before. Yevon religion revolves around Sin and is basically a cover up to glorify Yu Yevon's actions. That is why Yevon doesn't exist as it did in X in X-2 because Sin is no longer there. The central aspect of Yevon, that by following the Yevon religion one day Sin will be gone, become moot with the success of High Summoner Yuna.

The game does not support the existence of Yevon before the war between Zanarkand and Bevelle (Summoners and machina). History was simply rewritten by the victors, the summoners.

Touche! :fencing:

[Pete for President]

The game does not support the existence of Yevon before the war between Zanarkand and Bevelle (Summoners and machina). History was simply rewritten by the victors, the summoners.

Touche! :fencing:

As I recall Bevelle won the war. I know someone states in the game that "the summoners didn't stand a chance against Bevelle's machina". As a last resort to let Zanarkand "live on", Yu Yevon created Dream Zanarkand.

[G13]

What's this!? Something I completely overlooked!?

This brings up a question. If what you're saying is true, Summoner of Leviathan, if Yevon's religion didn't exist before Sin, then how could there be Fayth (a minimal amount maybe) around for the Summoners to use if it was Yevon who suggested the Fayth? Also, if the Fayth were what they (the Summoners) needed to kill Sin by giving their souls (or rather Aeons), then what did the Summoners summon exactly if their were no Fayths around. Wouldn't that corroborate my thought that Yevon (as a religion) has been around even before Sin?

Even if you don't agree, it makes a good theory, no?