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Well hot damn, someone remembered for the Compilation. That's news to me but I have not seen AC Complete.
See it. It's such a great improvement from the original - almost felt like a different movie.
I may have to. I didn't care for AC as a sequel but I'm willing to give it another go if they made progress in telling an improved story.

Quote Originally Posted by Bolivar View Post
Regarding CT and VII, VII's ending was open-ended, but even then it was given further conclusion.
My problem is that I never saw it that way. I never felt it was treated like an open ended commentary. I felt the "deep" elements were all done in the first disc and even then, in the first 20 hours only and the rest of the game sorta felt like the typical RPG stuff I'm used to. I never felt it was written that way, it had an open ended ending but for me and many, I don't feel it was really the philosophy it tried to convey that was important by the end rather than the characters themselves...

If we are giving credit to VII for having some form of social commentary whether its complete or not; I feel its only fair to give credit to games that pre-date VII that did the same thing.

Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno View Post
Ok... you are going to have to tell me how Xenogears uses kiddie gloves. This I would like to hear
Kiddie gloves is your term... all I'm saying is that while arguably more extreme than its contemporaries, Xenogears still looks like a Disney movie compared to the Three Penny Opera or Baal.
Well, its not exactly fair to compare Xenogears to Theatrical playwrights. They have been doing this game longer... I doubt I could come up with too many films that could equal to some of the greater Off Broadway plays.

Then I'll ask you to indulge me a bit more and please explain how you feel CT, VII, and Xenogears are not as great of a dramatic departure from each other in terms of social commentary.