Yes it does.Originally Posted by Ouch!
Perhaps I'm just talking out of my ass here (but that's what these threads are all about anyway!), but doesn't scanning Griever reveal that he was created from Squall's own mind by Ultimecia?
So really, there isn't so much an S=G theory, as there is a direct line from the game stating it to be fact?Yes it does.Perhaps I'm just talking out of my ass here (but that's what these threads are all about anyway!), but doesn't scanning Griever reveal that he was created from Squall's own mind by Ultimecia?
Saying Griever was created from Squall's mind does not mean that Squall is Griever. In fact, it pretty much blows that theory away. An idea and the individual who has the idea are too very different things.So really, there isn't so much an S=G theory, as there is a direct line from the game stating it to be fact?Yes it does.Perhaps I'm just talking out of my ass here (but that's what these threads are all about anyway!), but doesn't scanning Griever reveal that he was created from Squall's own mind by Ultimecia?
Griever was a personification of an aspect of Squall's psyche. A collection of thoughts and images given form, nothing more.
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Ok firstly WTF thats nuts and wrong. Also as a second thing to look at: Watch when Laguna imprisons Adel as shown in a flashback granted by Ellone. Adel appears all muscly and screwed up then too! Not to mention that Adel was FROZEN solid probably with some kind of advanced machine induced Petrification And if she wasn't FROZEN solid and thus in a state where she needed no oxygen to breathe and no heat to pump blood around her body then exposure to 17 years or so in SPACE would certainly have killed her. In space any living being not only loses weight like crazy they also have a higher chance of developing brittle bones and cancer due to weightlessness and radiation sickness from the place. Hence the Lunar station has artificial gravity to allow extended visitations to there. Also when Squall releases Rinoa from the machine in Tears Point you see him clearly cutting something that sprays some kind of coolant mist probably some form of nitrogen or CO2. Dont ignore the events of the game when doing your theories it makes you look like an idiot. As for the Tattoo thing, well Zell probably decided it looked cool and got it maybe it has something to do with his martial arts techniques because after all he is the "monk" class of fighter and many martial arts cultures have specific markings/brands/traditions/tattoos to mark their followers. As for Adel and Ulti having tats too? Well they sure as hell help a person look intimidating and whats to say they didn't just manipulate the skin pigmentation with magic? It's plausible they've got the power to cause things to blow up without anything flamable being there.
WOW! Squall is so in love with Rinoa he took a SUICIDAL jump out in to space to save her life during a Lunar Cry what DESTROYED the Lunar Space Station but he marries Ellone? In game during the flashback at Winhill you see Laguna "speak" to Ellone's parents They died during the war and Raine took Ellone in. Therefore she is not related to Squall, in fact the whole idea of changing the past was to prevent Laguna chasing after Ellone leaving a pregnant Raine to give birth and die during the process of doing so to Squall. Changing that would have broken the time paradox and thus changed the future however that would probably have prevented Gabaldia "winning" the last Sorceress war though in reality I don't call what they call victory, victory. A former Gabaldian soldier managed to trick Adel and imprison her he then takes control of the country and withdraws all troops to end the conflict and makes Esthar disappear for 17 years. This part was to correct whoever claimed that she was the sister of Squall, she isn't he just called her Sis all the time when she was at the orphanage which is quite ironic because if Ellone hadn't been kidnapped from Winhill and Laguna not chased after her leaving Raine alone then Ellone would have been most likely raised as a sister to Squall. The rest is just weird random crap with no basing on anything but FE's sick perversions, The only accurate thing in there I would say is Selphie and Irvine getting married is possible but the rest is ridiculous also, during the end credits the SeeD Cadet seen in game as Zell's girlfriend who actually never features as anything but to disprove the theory of him being gay is sitting at his side when he's stuffing hotdogs down.
I'd like to QFT here.
Skyclaw ended this terrible thread a while ago.
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Never made it that far, and whenever I heard that line I took it literally as it was created from his mind, so it sounded to me like he was essentially a part of squall.Saying Griever was created from Squall's mind does not mean that Squall is Griever. In fact, it pretty much blows that theory away. An idea and the individual who has the idea are too very different things.So really, there isn't so much an S=G theory, as there is a direct line from the game stating it to be fact?Yes it does.Perhaps I'm just talking out of my ass here (but that's what these threads are all about anyway!), but doesn't scanning Griever reveal that he was created from Squall's own mind by Ultimecia?
Griever was a personification of an aspect of Squall's psyche. A collection of thoughts and images given form, nothing more.
I guess at that point its really just semantics and how you precieve Grievers creation and such. Doesn't reallly support any grandoise theory either way though.
The theory still stands. There's nothing in the game that states that Ultimecia possessed Squall, read his mind and created Griever out of it or that she can possess humans and thier minds (yes, there are a few cases, but such cases cannot be proved or disproved.)Saying Griever was created from Squall's mind does not mean that Squall is Griever. In fact, it pretty much blows that theory away. An idea and the individual who has the idea are too very different things.So really, there isn't so much an S=G theory, as there is a direct line from the game stating it to be fact?Yes it does.Perhaps I'm just talking out of my ass here (but that's what these threads are all about anyway!), but doesn't scanning Griever reveal that he was created from Squall's own mind by Ultimecia?
Griever was a personification of an aspect of Squall's psyche. A collection of thoughts and images given form, nothing more.
However, the game has explicitly stated and displayed that Ultimecia can possess and read sorceresses' minds.
Therefore, the most logical assumption would be ...
Squall told Rinoa about Griever -> Rinoa learnt Griever out of Squall's mind -> more explanations from Squall -> Rinoa fully acknowledged the meaning of Griever -> Later into the game, Ultimecia possessed Rinoa -> Ultimecia fully acknowledged Griever.
She then created it in the final battle from that formation.
ok i just have a question for those who say R=U
why if R was U would ulti have rinoa go out into space to free adel and then just let her drift off to certain death?
if this has already been addressed im a lazy guy and cba looking for it :P
I was saying that it destroys the theory that Squall is Griever, which is the theory we were discussing. And it does. Squall is not Griever. Period.
I gave up discussing the R=U theory a long time ago.
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