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    I feel its a bit of a stretch. As stated before, RD is no longer canon so why make a totally new ending for the sake of referencing a game that Kato himself felt was so bad he purposely shot down the idea of having it as an extra for the PS1 port?
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    The new ending actually reveals why we don't see Magus cause he doesn't even know who he is anymore and god knows what timeline he even got dropped into. Not to mention the Dalton fight fills the gap of what happened to Porre. It all consistently points to filling in the gaps that Cross created.

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    Perhaps that Magus was dropped into the RD time line, since it obviously wasn't either home or another world? I just can't seem to accept the fact that it makes it seem like Magus was going to be involved in something, but the writers just go 'BWAHAHAHAHA, you will never know what will happen to poor old Magus!' That would just be silly.

    And even if that event did happen in the current timeline, it doesn't seem to show how Schala could have been the one to orchestrate the events of Trigger.

    To begin, the Time Devourer exists only because Lavos forsaw these kids could defeat him, as you learn in Chronopolis.

    However, under the theory it was Schala's doing, that can only be the case If the Time Devour/Dream Devour existed.

    Just like my old Idea that it was the doing of Fate, you are creating a time loop to make it all happen. The very portals created by Schala couldn't exist without Lavos feeling threatened by Crono and gang, but Crono and Gang cannot become a threat without the portals made by Schala.

    Its really an unnescessary Time Paradox,

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoCracker View Post
    Perhaps that Magus was dropped into the RD time line, since it obviously wasn't either home or another world? I just can't seem to accept the fact that it makes it seem like Magus was going to be involved in something, but the writers just go 'BWAHAHAHAHA, you will never know what will happen to poor old Magus!' That would just be silly.
    It doesn't seem like Magus was off to do anything anyway in that ending, just wander the world for something he doesn't even know what it is. Perhaps the writer was hinting to some future project or perhaps it was a publicity move to garner more fan interest in making a sequel. The thing is that the facts seem to contradict your theory about the RD connection. I can't see how Kato would create a direct link to a game he calls "an embarrassment".

    Besides, I do not see it as a stretch to think of the Dream Devourer as an early stage of the Time Devourer.

    And even if that event did happen in the current timeline, it doesn't seem to show how Schala could have been the one to orchestrate the events of Trigger.

    To begin, the Time Devourer exists only because Lavos foresaw these kids could defeat him, as you learn in Chronopolis.


    However, under the theory it was Schala's doing, that can only be the case If the Time Devour/Dream Devour existed.

    Just like my old Idea that it was the doing of Fate, you are creating a time loop to make it all happen. The very portals created by Schala couldn't exist without Lavos feeling threatened by Crono and gang, but Crono and Gang cannot become a threat without the portals made by Schala.

    Its really an unnescessary Time Paradox,
    Well in my original theory Schala did it on her own without merging with the McGuffin so but technically, if a Schala from a parallel timeline orchestrated it and made the CT timeline the new main timeline the theory may still hold some weight. Considering Lavos can be destroyed, knocked out of time yet still affect the time lines as the Time Devourer. We only see the two main time lines in Cross cause they both held significance to FATE but it does not disprove the idea that other parallel worlds may exist that could be influencing time. This is the headache of time travel stories that utilize alternate timelines I'm afraid (SPOILER)(not VIII)

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    But Schala, on her own, didn't really seem to have the power nescessary to affect time itself. The only entities shown to be able to are Lavos and Belthasar, of course the later can only do it because he was locked away in an Icy future and slowly delved into Madness...

    And isn't the original CT timeline from the game the main one? From what I understand, in that time line Lavos was defeated, and Home World in Cross was created by Fate and Chronopolis to seal Lavos between the two, so CT is already the New Main Time Line, and the Schala that is merged with Lavos is already the Schala of the main time line.

    ANd why, exactly, would a Schala of a completely different timeline possibly want to interfere in this one?

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    It's canon that the Entity is the planet, and is responsible for the appearance of the Gates (as well as the juggling of Dinopolis in Cross, which is essentially just a case of an entire city being drawn through a Gate). I see no reason short of an unequivocal statement to assume this has been retconned (and I'd probably ignore it even then, because it just doesn't work as well).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoCracker View Post
    But Schala, on her own, didn't really seem to have the power nescessary to affect time itself. The only entities shown to be able to are Lavos and Belthasar, of course the later can only do it because he was locked away in an Icy future and slowly delved into Madness...

    And isn't the original CT timeline from the game the main one? From what I understand, in that time line Lavos was defeated, and Home World in Cross was created by Fate and Chronopolis to seal Lavos between the two, so CT is already the New Main Time Line, and the Schala that is merged with Lavos is already the Schala of the main time line.

    ANd why, exactly, would a Schala of a completely different timeline possibly want to interfere in this one?
    I could so FE/Serapy these questions but it would make your mind explode!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kawaii Ryűkishi View Post
    It's canon that the Entity is the planet, and is responsible for the appearance of the Gates (as well as the juggling of Dinopolis in Cross, which is essentially just a case of an entire city being drawn through a Gate). I see no reason short of an unequivocal statement to assume this has been retconned (and I'd probably ignore it even then, because it just doesn't work as well).
    I do believe its the Planet, and it definetly makes the most sense. This was just an odd theory I came up with one day and I wanted to share but NeoCracker decided to ruin it with his logic and facts.

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    I never played the DS version of Chrono Trigger so I don't know if they went into detail about the entity.

    Maybe in the sequel, it could take place in the (new) 2300ad era and gates keep appearing and distorting time. Robo, now a simple worker in Chronopolis laboratories gets wind of some odd experiments going on in Chronopolis and (somehow) wanders into a gate and ends up meeting Chrono and the others. Then they travel even further in time where Chronopolis still exists, and is active, yet the land is barren and largely uninhabitable. It turns out that those experiments being done in Robo's original time were being conducted on time travel by Lucca's future kin and accidentally created a hole in spacetime (since IRL, space and time are believed to be separate planes of existence) and they attracted the attention of Lavos on a distant planet, who manipulated the gates to travel across the galaxies and devour planets and multiply.

    I guess it could also include traveling to other planets, and one of the twists is that the gates are stable with the gate key as far as time goes...but not where they'll end up, just when.

    Yeah, I know it's pretty weak, but I thought it up as I typed it
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