ya I guess thats true...most people are jack assesOriginally Posted by Meat Puppet
ya I guess thats true...most people are jack asses
Cloud's great.
Uhm, before b*tching about their relationship, maybe you should get the full picture of their relationship first.True, but I feel it borrows from the real life experience of meeting someone from your hometown/school/whatever that you never really talked to, but really hitting it off based on that shared experience. Everyone goes through that, meeting someone at college or on your summer vacation from such, that you never talked to back then, but you guys really get along great now that the introduction was made.
When you add in the fact that Tifa and Cloud are really the last surviving people from the Nibelheim incident (Zangan not a native, and the others turned into mindless "clones"), that's a strong bond they share, and that's something you can build on.
I like how the developers kept the relationship open-ended, even in the movie Advent Children, where the audience is supposed to interpret their relationship based on how they play the game. And I always get Tifa at the Gold Saucer scene.
I kinda don't like how they made Cloud bitch out in that movie, though. After playing and beating the game, I just find it hard to believe he would go back into super loner-mood after everything he's been through and experienced. Maybe GeoStigma has something to do with that.
On the way toa smile: the case of Tifa, namely. Square has released a story that deals with their relationship and here's a spoiler: you guys didn't get single thing right.
Jaffer: I'm afraid I don't recognize the Compilations existence cause its total rubbish that retcons half the stuff that was presented in the original game and thus creates a convulated mess that doesn't add up continuity wise without ignoring the original. Which is a terrible way to write an expansion if you ask me.
I can't speak for Bolivar but I feel he's just catering to my view cause he knows my feelings about this and doesn't want me to derail this thread into another "The Compilation sucks and exists to milk the VII franchise" rant that so many have had to put up with in this forums.
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I dunno the full story but the On the Way to a Smile light novels don't contradict anything that I'm aware off. That's why i brought it up. in the Case of Tifa Cloud is the fairly upbeat character that he's suppose to be.
nothing worse than a HAPPY sarcastic jack ass!
Cloud did actually lighten up after finding out the truth about his past. It was only because of his constant confusion and the fact he was being used like a puppet that made him so unemotional.
As for Tifa, she was fairly heroic standing by Cloud despite all the lies he told and having to remain quiet for fear of what finding out the truth would do to Cloud. Of course she is still a terrorist, so that undermines just how heroic she is.
ya I understand that, its the AFTER that pissed me off about him. even after all that he still doesnt go after her? and he still torn about aeris? YOU DIDNT KILL HER ANUS! IT WASNT YOUR FAULT! SUCK IT UP! THERES NOTHING YOU COULD HAVE DONE!!! btw, SHES DEAD, TIFA's NOT! (whew, sorry)
he sucks
and ya she was a terrorist but I still feel for her, I kinda understand why she did it as well. (still doesnt make it ok but)
Did you miss the part where they talked for hours and hours under the Highwind before the scene implied they made out? I think it's safe to say that when this game ends we were meant to think they would get together.
well ya, I was slightly ok after the game (he still brought aeris up when tifa got closer...loser >.>) but you cant say that AC isnt canon. and then its all down hill :/
Well according to the AC Compilation, their relationship is still in the air as Nomura and Nojima won't confirm the question of their relationship when directly asked. They are pretty much leaving it up to the fans I think and I feel this is actually a good idea for once.
True beauty exists in things that last only for a moment.
Current Mood: And it's been a long December and there's reason to believe. Maybe this year will be better than the last. I can't remember all the times I tried to tell myself. To hold on to these moments as they pass...
Seriously though Geostigma was stated by Kadaj to effects a person mental condition. Cloud can't really be held responsible for that. Besides, he was DYING. Denzel had like month left and Cloud a little more. And non-GeoStigma Cloud does pretty much exactly what you guys want him too:
On The Way To A Smile: Case Of Tifa - Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children / FFVII AC / FF7 AC / Advent / AC
I bet if cid was dying of lung cancer, he would still be the same foul-mouth, abusive, sky captain we grew to learn and love!
I still don't see that as an excuse really. I mean look at Tidus (Spoiler...well not really, game is old)
by the near end of the game, he knew that if he defeated sin and saved yuna from certain death, that he would die (hell not even die, but disappear) yet he still stood firm in what he needed to do; for yuna, his friends, and the whole world.
If Cloud was dying and so were many people, he should have been that more passionate on being there for everyone through such troubling times. I mean, he was a Jenova War-hero! he is one of the lights of spira! he has to be hope when there was no hope. but no, it was the same old mopey cloud that we grew to learn and hate
I'm with Dante Wolfwood on this. I feel its understandable for Cloud to be reflecting on regret but I wish he had actually come to the realization of his accomplishments and get over blaming himself for events that were beyond his control (Aerith, Nibelheim). It just seemed like all the character growth he made in the game had disappeared and we were back on square one for some points.
I read "On My Way To a Smile" and though I agree its fairly good, I still feel we are seeing Cloud just descend back into his self pity. He lost all growth and it took Vincent and Marlene to finally get him to get off his ass and do something, he doesn't really start kicking ass until Aerith symbolically gave him the "thumbs up" by curing him in the church, and even then he doesn't beat Sephiroth until he threatens everyone he loves, its like the guy waits to the last minute to actually put effort into things and overcome his personal issues.
He really has it good if you think about it. Even though he's dying, he saved the world and he's with people he can be himself around. I really feel that Cloud's inability to overcome his own personal problems without some kind of external element has always been his weakness as a character. I just don't see real growth and the little that is there is not something I feel should be something you should be proud of.
True beauty exists in things that last only for a moment.
Current Mood: And it's been a long December and there's reason to believe. Maybe this year will be better than the last. I can't remember all the times I tried to tell myself. To hold on to these moments as they pass...
Cloud really isn't in the same position as Yuna and Tidus. This isn't journey during which they can still have a few laughs and moments before they sacrifice themselves to save the world. This is Denzel and Cloud becoming bedridden and guided by random spasms of sephiroth, slowly and painfully turning into black gue. That's not something I'd want for Marlene.
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