Technically its not even an official world of In-BetweenOriginally Posted by PuPu
At present, there are 4 worlds in-between these planes that have appeared. A) Castle Oblivion, B)Twilight Town, C) Yen Sid's Tower, and D) The World That Never Was. - Director's Secret Report XIII
You completely missed the point of my statement. The world's are seperated by Barriers, The World That Never Was is an In Between World, so its barrier should prevent people to freely move in and out of it without the aid of a Gummi Ship or a Corridor of Darkness. Technically, reaching Kingdom Hearts from TWTNW should be impossible and the idea of summoning KH to a world outside of the Realm of Darkness has never once been stated to happen in any of the games.As Yen Sid said, the pathways that Sora made in KH2 were made specifically for him, not the Heartless, Org13, or anyone else. After all, the Heartless and Org13 were using their own paths, Dark Corridors.The whole point of KH1 was to seal the world and prevent the Heartless from interfering and destroying the Heart of these individual worlds. One of Sora's missions in KH2 is creating pathways of light between the World's in the Realm of Light. How then can two separate worlds openly interfere with each other at the end of KH2 when its has been stated time and again that the world's are separate by a barrier, not to mention the hell you have to go through to get from Twilight Town to The World That Never Was which was only accomplished by going through a Corridor of Darkness.
Proof? He never once said anything about bringing KH of Worlds to him with the KH of Men. You're making stuff up since you have yet to once bring real evidence to say he did this.Xemnas didn't go to Kingdom Hearts. He made the KH of worlds go to him, by using his KH of men.Seeing as how Heartless can still get into world's after they have had their Heart's sealed away shows that locking has limitations. They prevent the flood of Darkness into the Realm of Light but it still can't prevent entities from interacting between both worlds if they use Corridors of Darkness. Riku only made it to Castle Oblivion cause "his heart led him to Sora".
In KH? Yes it is. If a massive amount of Hearts leads to the creation of Heart the size of a small moon then yes its a place. A single rock may not be a place but when you get a few billion together to form a single object its a place.Are you also saying a heart is a place? And guess what? I can journey my way over to my TV, but I wouldn't call my TV a place.I don't mean to create confusion by saying its a world in the sense that KH series defines a world, I just mean to imply it is a physical place and not a philosophical abstract thought like VII's "Promised Land". The fact of the matter is you can journey and get there cause its a place you can travel to.
We don't even know what Maleficent has been doing for the last ten years or how long she has been trying to gather the Princess of Hearts. For all we know, she could have started a few months before KH1 began. Until Birth By Sleep we won't know. As for Org. XIII, it took 9 years for a new Keyblade master to appear, it took them little over a year to amass enough hearts for them to create a artificial KH. Yeah, its pretty easy to do when you've got the tools to pull it off.Are you joking? It took ~10 years since Birth By Sleep for Xemnas and the Organization to create Heartless out of people and then collect all of those hearts in order to make the KH of men. It took nearly just as long for XH and Maleficent & friends to find the Princesses of Hearts as well.It is partially contradicting or at least bad writing as Xehanort's Heartless as well as the Disney Villains bust there asses to create the Final Keyhole and open the DTD to reach Kingdom Hearts whereas Organization XIII simply forms one in there backyard.
This is completely baseless conjecture, we know very little about the Realm of Darkness so its impossible to say whether it would be difficult to find it in the KH universe. Considering the biggest hurdle for all the villains in the series is actually getting into the Realm of Darkness, I would say its probably not that hard to find it once you get there as XH found out the hard way.It's not like you can just go to the Realm of Darkness and randomly search for it. That's like a one in infinity chance of finding something in an entire dimension, not to mention that knowing KH, it probably isn't just going to let people get near it to absorb its power.having easy access to it despite Maleficent and Xehanort's Heartless having the same powers to travel to the Realm of Darkness.
No, I said the End of the World is. I did not say anything about the DTD being a place. Please stop putting words into my mouth.I'm sorry, did you just call a giant door, a place?I would say the End of the World is a real location, temporary but hardly random. It also a place that cannot be accessed openly without the Final Keyhole, I would say that constitutes a "specific location".
End of the World is a place where worlds that have lost their hearts to darkness end up, Heartless are hearts that have fallen into darkness the Realm of Darkness is the smurfing Realm of Darkness. It makes sense the entryway to the Realm of Darkness would be a place plunged into darkness...What does this even mean?Considering the nature of the Heartless and the End of the World as well as their correlations to the Realm of Darkness
The door that appears before the Xemnas fight is never called the DTD nor does it even resemble the DTD from KH1. It is only said to lead to KH, not the Realm of Darkness where KH lies, which in context of the scene would most likely refer to the moon in the sky. So yeah... the true DTD did only appear in one place.But you did, and you can't just go "nu-uh, it's only supposed to open in one place by this one method in KH1!"I can't see the DTD opening anywhere else in the KH universe.
Yeah it does... The KH made from the Hearts of Men is obviously right above the Headquarters of ORG. XIII its obviously only a dozen yards away if you watch the scene carefully. Since The World That Never Was is not actually in the Realm of Darkness and since we never witness Xemnas summoning KH to TWTNW it seems pretty certain that the KH of Men exists in TWTNW.KH didn't appear in TWTNW.If it appeared in the World That Never Was, Xehanort's Heartless could just pluck KH out of the sky
Which took them a little over a year to do...which could only be accessed by collecting several billions of hearts......that makes the first game seem retarded and a waste of time since KH can be down the street...Besides, you once again miss the context of my point which is that the KH of Worlds that resides in the Realm of Darkness can not be reached from the Realm of Light or World In-Between without the DTD.
No, you just don't pay attention...In this quote, made up lies. At this point, I shouldn't even bother continuing until you show me the actual evidence.No, KH is magically in the World That Never Was that is in the In-between Realm. Yes, its close to the Realm of Darkness but its still stated by Nomura to not be a direct part of the Realm of Darkness.
Light (as in Realm of Light) < Yen Sid's Tower < Twilight Town > Castle Oblivion > World that Never Was > Dark (Realm of Darkness)
These worlds are referred to as the Worlds In-Between cause they don't exist in the Realm of Light or Darkness. They have influences due to proximity but its not part of either Realm. Stating that any of these worlds belong to Light or Darkness would be like saying Twilight (as in time) is definetly night when its called Twilight for a reason. There is no point in giving it a name like In-Between if its one or the other. My whole argument you've been ignoring is that TWTNW is a separate world that is not part of the Realm of Darkness so how can anyone in TWTNW affect thing in the Realm of Darkness. Its like looking across the border and saying you can affect what goes on over their with the power of your mind.
Also, the Dark Coastline is stated by Nomura to be the "tip of the world" and the dividing line between the In-Between Worlds and the Realm of Darkness, which means that the In-Between Worlds are not located in either realm which means I'm not lying.
We'll start talking when you start backing up your claims. Once again no, refernce of summoning or anything, he ask his KH to give him power and disappears into his KH.Lol, no. Xemnas didn't go to KH in the Realm of Darkness. He made KH come to him, in TWTNW. Notice that after you defeat Chair Xemnas 1, you're right back in TWTNW.The Major error comes from the simple fact that this World, stated to be specifically in the Realm of In-Between by the creator, can freely access the Realm of Darkness.
Way to answer without reading my post.They never went to the Realm of Darkness during the battle with Xemnas, so I don't see your point.Even after beating Xemnas, Sora and Riku find themselves at the dark coastline which is stated by Nomura to still not be a part of the Realm of Darkness but as close as you can get. Between the In-Between World and the Realm of DarknessMy point is that they never go to the Realm of Darkness, the KH they visit is exclusively in TWTNW and is separate from the KH of KH1 which is located in the Realm of Darkness. Until you start backing up your claims, its obvious that Xemnas never came in contact with the KH of the Realm of Darkness.
Yeah it is, you could spit on it since its on top of the castle, which is in an In-Between World, which is not located in the Realm of Darkness, which is where the Heart of Worlds version of KH exists. Which Xemnas never summons to him with the KH of Men that you say isn't right in front of him since Xemnas is in an In-Between World and never visited the World of Darkness...Xemnas and the Org never went into the Realm of Darkness, the Hearts did. And once again, the KH of men is not in TWTNW.Once again, how can Xemnas and Org. XIII interact with a KH in an In-Between World when it is stated to be in the Realm of Darkness and there is a clear dividing line between this world and that realm?
But I'm not.There's just one little problem with what you said. That it's wrong.
Yes, KH forms in the Realm of Darkness, World That Never Was is not part of the Realm of Darkness, yet KH forms in this World no less. Thank you for proving this inconsistency.
Which XH thought was all the power since he didn't believe in the light and he knows the hearts are power. They both wanted the same thing. The Director's Report even confirms this.And the difference is that Xemnas cared about specifically the entire power of hearts, whereas XH only cared about the darkness that happens to come from hearts.XH believed KH true nature was darkness... I would say he cared about the whole package since he believed KH to be darkness.
[QUOTE]Um no... he absorbed the remains of his broken KH he never said anything about absorbing the KH of Worlds nor do we even see this happen. The whole scene pretty much points to him absorbing his own KH of Men. He's sitting their pleading with his KH talking about how he'll rebuild it. He never mentions going to the Heart of Worlds and absorbing it. You are just misinterpreting the whole scene.I can see why that post is somewhat confusing. Saix didn't say that Xemnas combined the two, but he did say that Xemnas made the KH of men. But again, if you remember that Ansem the Wise blew a huge hole into KH, and Xemnas said that he'll needed to "start all over again" and then told the Keybladers to "bring him more hearts" obviously his KH of men got ruined and started raining hearts. But he still managed to absorb KH's power, the KH of World's power that is.I'm also curious to know where you came up with Xemnas' plan to combine the Hearts of World with the Hearts of Men since I don't remember him ever stating such a grandiose plan nor do I remember Saix saying anything like that, even the quote above simply refers to Hearts returning to darkness and forming KH which is something stated more or less in KH1. Is this another reference to 358/2?
When your party defeats Xemnas in his own KH, he talks about how he needs more Hearts, I would think that if he absorbed two KH, he wouldn't need more hearts (he probably should have won if he was that powered up). Its obvious he's referring only to his broken KH. He never absorbed KH of Worlds.
Yes, they can use the Corridors of Darkness, but you are saying Xemnas can manipulate KH from outside of the Realm of Darkness where you say both KH lie. This goes against the metaphysics of the KH universe cause the Barriers exist to prevent worlds from interfering with each other or contacting outside of it. The World That Never Was, has a barrier and it was only accessible by way of COD. Once again you are saying Xemnas can manipulate objects outside his realm of influence despite a barrier existing to prevent this kind of stuff from happening.-The pathways created in KH2 were for Sora only.No, because it disagrees with its own metaphysics stated by the creator. As I said, he states worlds are separate, forces the player through hoops to overcome these basic rules of the game universe and then turns around and has the villains break all the rules yet never explain how they did.
-Villains use Dark Corridor hax.
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