Oh lord, where to begin...
[QUOTE]So being physically transported to an area you can interact in doesn't constitute as a place. Donald and Goofy even say he vanished. When Xemnas took Sora to the Other Memory Skyscraper, Sora still physically vanished.Originally Posted by PuPu
Heart of Worlds, where hearts gather, Proof of Life... oh yeah these define KH so well and tells us everything it can and can't be.This has got to be the weakest garbage that you've pulled in this entire debate. KH is never said to not to be [infinitely many different things] either, so you really don't get anywhere by saying this. Because we are told what KH IS, we are told at the same time everything that it is NOT.
Funny, I can say the same thing about your argument.Seriously, I can't believe you're saying that KH is a world by using "well nothing says I'm wrong." It's just too bad that if you've got nothing to say that you're right either.
Like your baseless claim is any better? Mine explains what happened to KHoM after Xemnas is defeated, Xemnas' dialogue supports my idea since he is speaking to KHoM directly in a manner that only suits the context of the situation for KHoM, and why we never see Xemnas summon KHoW. You say he magically did all this cause KH could only be in the Realm of Darkness.What a completely made up and baseless line that's only supported by your own, unsupported claims.
This is one of my favorite parts...ru·inJust because its ruined doesn't mean it can't have a use or be salvaged for other goals. It just means he can't use it for its original intention.From dictionary.com
- Total destruction or disintegration, either physical, moral, social, or economic.
- A cause of total destruction.
- The act of destroying totally.
Seriously, the "totally" part of destroyed is almost always included in the definition of "ruined."
Dictionary.com
ru⋅in
–noun
1. ruins, the remains of a building, city, etc., that has been destroyed or that is in disrepair or a state of decay: We visited the ruins of ancient Greece.
2. a destroyed or decayed building, town, etc.
3. a fallen, wrecked, or decayed condition: The building fell to ruin.
4. the downfall, decay, or destruction of anything.
5. the complete loss of health, means, position, hope, or the like.
The other problem with your argument is that a person can say they "ruined a cake" but that does not mean the cake is "completely destroyed". Its still there and it can still be eaten, its just not going to taste very good if at all. We actually see the remains of KHoM so its far from "completely destroyed" since it should have been wiped from existence had it truly been. Yet there it is at the Altar of Naught...
But Darkness exists in the Realm of light as well. Hollow Bastion was plunged into Darkness by Xehanort and the End of the World (which is not an official In-Between world) also appears to be a heavily influenced by darkness. Besides, you ignore my first statement which is whether Xemnas gathered them to him. If Hearts return to Darkness and from Nomura has said about the Worlds In Between, would that not suggest Hearts would have to travel through TWTNW even if through a Dark Corridor?TWNTW = In-between, thus it =/= "Darkness"What's to say Xemnas only redirected them to him in TWTNW? Hearts gather in Darkness yes, but that doesn't mean they specifically go to the Realm of Darkness
Realm of Darkness = Darkness
If he's strong enough or has the means to gather them, whose to say he needs to have KH in the Realm of Darkness. We only assume cause KHoW is in the Realm of Darkness and Saix said hearts return to darkness.
Just like you have really nothing on him pulling KHoW from the Realm of Darkness."Why?" doesn't really matter because you still have got nothing that says he pulled the hearts to TWTNW.and if they did, Xemnas could easily just stop them from passing into the realm. If he's calling the hearts to him, why let them travel to the Realm of Darkness in the first place?
Wait a minute... now you are just going into circular reasoning at this point. He can't use KHoM cause by your words its "completely destroyed" but he can use its power (which you say is "completely destroyed") to summon KHoW to him?Because he used the KH of men to do so.Besides, if Xemnas could pull KH of worlds from the Realm of Darkness, why bother making the KH of Men now?
Except you have no evidence to say he couldn't do it before but then you say he needed KHoM to summon it, yet you say it was "completely destroyed" by Ansem which by your definition means he couldn't use it. Am I the only one who sees the paradox of your reasoning?Your hypothetical is meaningless when compared to what actually happened.He could have easily turned himself into a near god by bringing KH of Worlds to him, release the Heartless into the Realm of Light, absorb all the hearts that the Keyblade wielders set free if not even being strong enough to reduce everything to heart if its within his power and gone on with his plan of remaking the universe.
Except its supposedly "completely destroyed" and yet he still summons KHoW with it...He needed to KH of men to get to get the KH of worlds, because it's an alternate way from using the DTD.Your "theory" on the end game events do not any make sense from this perspective. If he had the power to do it himself, why bother going through the whole business of making an artificial KH? He could have absorbed KH ten years ago and be god by now.
How is it not a world? Traverse Town has the same origins as the End of the World and its a World so why can End of the World not be?
No it isn't. Tell me, what is it called then?Its treated as a World in KH1
Which is the same baseless argument I'm making in reverse...Because there's nothing that says it IS.who is to say this isn't?
Its true I don't have a right, but neither do you have the right to say what is a world and what is not. Especially when the worlds in question exist in a gray area.No it isn't. Even if it was, it doesn't give you the right to call whatever you want as a world.Its obvious the term "World" in KH is ill defined.
But we never see it come to him, we only see him merge with KHoM. We never even get to see KHoW so how do we know he merged with it?KH is in the Realm of Darkness as said by the game. Xemnas never went to the Realm of Darkness. Therefore, KH went to him. Just because you don't like HOW it happened doesn't mean that it DIDN'T happen.Bringing it to him is also ridiculous and implausible. It never happened.
Or you can accept that "Ruin" doesn't absolutely mean "complete destruction" thus Xemnas absorbed a broken KHoM which would explain how he lost.Except that the game says KH is in the Realm of Darkness, and since Xemnas didn't go to the Realm of Darkness, there's only one choice left.Except there is no proof...
Yeah, cause ruin doesn't always mean "completely destroyed". Course I guess he needs that "completely destroyed" KHoM to summon KHoW to himHe becomes one with a "completely destroyed" KH?He never summons the KH of Worlds though, he becomes one with his "ruined" KH and gets his ass kicked.
Once again, "Heart of All Worlds" and "Proof of Life" do not offer any information on what KH could physically be like. The first definition works to say what it is, but what about the second? Worlds are hardly dead or not-life since they too have Hearts.It's not "barely defined" just because it doesn't fit your definition. That's like saying "KH isn't defined as a Heartless, so therefore it might be a Heartless." By telling us what it is, at the same time, we are told everything that it is ISN'T.We actually don't know if KH is a world or not, its not defined as a world but its barely defined at all except for being a collection of hearts.
And your is basically, "they never said it was". Even though such information might not be important at this time in the series. So why bother mentioning it.Your entire argument of KH being a world is now basically reduced to a hypothetical, a possibility, based only on "well nothing says I'm wrong!"We barely know anything about it to make proclamations like "its not a world". No one in the story has been to the true KH so we don't know what KH is actually like. We only have to go on Ansem and Xehnort's research as well as what King Mickey has said.
No, the Ansem Reports only say that Mickey visited and told Ansem about the Keyblade and made him aware of the Gummi Blocks. (Ansem Report 9 and Secret Ansem Report 2).For smurf's sake, Mickey knew the Heartless were invading since BBS. Hell, the Ansem Reports of KH1 even mention him talking about the worlds being consumed by darkness with Xehanort.Oh yeah... Mickey's been fighting them Heartless for the last ten years. Seeing as he didn't realize they were invading the Realm of Light until the start of KH1.
We don't even know if the Heartless first appear in BBS or if anyone was aware of their danger at that time. Even Ansem the Wise was not aware of how bad things had gotten until he read the Secret Ansem reports.
They spoke about the stability of the world and worried about the Heartless but Mickey says he only noticed worlds were disappearing in his letter to Donald and Goofy, which seems to have been given to them at the start of KH1, nearly ten years later. We don't know what Mickey has been doing in this ten year period. We know he trained with Yen Sid and may have got caught up in the events of BBS, we know he met with Ansem the Wise sometime around this time. We know he hasn't been gone for very long from Disney Castle when KH1 began.
If Mickey did not travel extensively in this time frame, he would have had little contact with the Heartless, especially since the Pillar of Light protects Disney Castle from the Heartless.
Mickey's absence in KH1 was said by Nomura in the Secret Director's Report to take place mostly in the Realm of Darkness. If was wiping out Heartless, it would stand to reason they would go to KHoW rather than KHoM or just be turned back into Heartless.
Yes, but its unreasonable to think they would not be aware of the events going on in KH1 and 2. Especially since the Heartless are attracted to the Keyblades. They are either hiding their Keyblades to protect themselves from the Heartless of Nobodies or are quite possible killed. Had others existed, I cannot see why Org XIII wouldn't be utilizing them like they did Roxas and Sora.I'm assuming there are others because we only see a few thousand keyblades when TAV fight MX and Vanitas. Obviously, tons of keyblades exist, it's not unreasonable to think that there can also be tons of Keyblade wielders too.You are assuming there were others. Yes, we get 6 more (for now) in BBS but they are not fighting Heartless and no one knows if they got a fairy tale ending in BBS.
Except when he reveals it in the ending with the Kingdom Key of D.Mickey didn't make himself known. Nobody in KH1 knew he wielded a Keyblade.Even if there were more Keyblade wielders than we are aware of, the situations in KH1 and 2 are extreme enough you would think they would have made themselves known.
But if guys are killing Heartless, you would think Org. XIII would know about it. They found Sora after all.It doesn't matter where you kill Heartless, just that you kill Heartless.If they were unaware, they stayed in their own worlds and thus had a much more limited contribution to Xemnas' plan.
The only thing that proves is that he didn't begin to combine the hearts, not that there weren't any hearts.It still stands that Roxas and Sora were imperative to their plan and the reason they were able to nearly complete it. Also, as TSoL said earlier, the KH of Men doesn't even appear in TWTNW until Roxas joined in 358/2 so I feel its safe to say they could not even begin their operation until the Kingdom Key appeared in Destiny Island.
It also could prove he didn't have enough yet to start making it. There is no evidence to suggest he waited to start forming KHoM when Roxas joined cause he felt like it. It doesn't make logical sense to wait for a dedicated member to get you hearts before you start forming your artifical Kingdom Hearts. It instead suggest they didn't have enough Hearts yet.
At least I have the Realm of Light to base what I believe. Yours is just "well we don't know, so therefore we can assume it's done the way I say without any proof needed at all."This is assuming the Realm of Darkness works like the Realm of Light...
We get two looks into the Realm of Darkness, one is a luminescent cave filled with Heartless, the other is a vast dark ocean. Its a world where KHoW resides with the Heartless and despite the Heartless' goal of consuming KH, they don't.
Even if the Realm of Darkness did work exactly like the Realm of Light, once again, what is stopping all the villains from just going to the Realm of Darkness and looking for KHoW on their own? Sora was able to explore a decent section of the Realm of Light and all of the Realm of In-Between in the span of little over a year. Who is to say that KHoW wouldn't be found in the ten year period the villains were around. Its not like they don't have manpower and are inept to do so.
I don't mean Dark Corridor directly, they should have had ample time to explore the Realm of Darkness in 10 years. By not even bothering with the Realm of Light, they could have all achieved their goals with no pesky Keyblade wielder to thwart their plans. Besides, Mickey found KHoW. He's right there when the DTD is open in the Realm of Darkness.Because they can't Dark Corridor themselves directly to KH, because they don't know where it is. That's why Maleficent said that the Princesses will reveal its location.Which is why they should not have wasted their time gathering Princess' and Hearts when they could just travel to KH.
Mickey doesn't have the Kingdom Key of D in BBS, we know Mickey went into the Realm of Darkness at the start of KH1 to find the key so he and Sora could seal the DTD.How does this even matter? It took Mickey the same amount of time as it took the villains of KH1.I mean, Mickey found Kingdom Key D in the Realm of Darkness and in very little time, why not find KH in the span of 10 years?
As opposed to, we went to the End of the World, we met Ansem at the End of the World, we fought Ansem at the End of the World, and suddenly during this grand battle everyone was magically transported to a place that was not part of the End of the World without anyone knowing it wasn't part of of the End of the World, even though there is nothing to say they didn't go to another part of End of the World where the DTD happened to be? This is basically the same debate as the nature of KH. You have nothing that suggests it isn't the End of the World but say it isn't because no one says it was specifically the End of the World. Despite the first area of the EoTW is called Gate to the Dark.Well, you know that you were very close to the Realm of Darkness, but not actually in the Realm of Darkness. That's it.Then enlighten us all on where you were and where the DTD appeared.
I just did a better one than you. You went to EoTW, you met Ansem there and you fought him and now where does your party remark about being transported away from there. You have nothing to suggest that the last area where you battle Ansem is not at the End of the World except "well they never said it was". How come when I make that argument its baseless conjecture but when you make, it its perfectly acceptable.You can't even provide stuff that says that Sora was still in EotW.Please use in-game and source material references to tell us how you came to this conclusion as well.
Yeah... Remember how it also said the Dark Beach was the actual border between the Worlds of In-Between and and Realm of Darkness. We never see this beach anywhere near CTNW or anything close to the CTNW that could be considered an ocean. Worlds are larger than what we see you know. We only explored the Coliseum in Hercules world but in KHII we finally see Hades Realm. We only see the Castle of Hollow Bastion but in KH11 we have a town, and there is miles beyond it. I think its safe to assume we only see a part of the worlds not the whole thing. TWTNW is bordered to the Realm of Darkness, the actual dividing line is the Dark Beach. No one ever said the CTNW is near the border to the Realm of Darkness. For all we know, it could be located near the border to the World of Twilight Town.Especially considering you need to access a Dark Corridor from TT to reach the Dark City.Remember how the chart on the DSR had TWNTW listed as the closest to Darkness? Yeah...No it isn't.
Except Xemnas was on the Dragon... so he apparently did have to go into the Realm of Darkness.The difference is that it has been stated many times that KH is indeed in the Realm of Darkness, whereas Dragon has nothing stated about it. But since we're going with "we never went to the Realm of Darkness" there's only one possibility left, that Dragon was in TWTNW.Seeing as how the final battle with Xemnas starts with his Nobody Dragon Fortress breaking free a mile away from where KHoM was.
Yes the world is, but the world could be larger than we think, the Dark Coastline being nowhere near CTNW or the Dark city suggest. Its stated that the TWTNW is on the border but it never said anything about the CTNW being located on the border or edge of Darkness. Its most likely the center of the world.No it isn't. The Dark Coastline is ON the border, but not the entire border. The DSR also says TWNTW is on the edge of Darkness as well.The only official border between the In-Between Worlds and Realm of Darkness is the Dark Coastline. Not that and just a few yards above CTNW. Xemnas formed his KH in TWTNW. We don't even see such a place like the Dark Coastline near The Castle That Never Was or the Dark City
Yeah... lets not complicate this anymore.Because they went there from the Realm of Nothing, and that's...an entirely different realm.Sora and Riku have to travel through a Dark Corridor to reach it. This tells me its farther away than we think.
But you never see him summon KHoW top TWTNW. He's talking to and being enveloped by the KHoM. When did he summon KHoW to TWTNW when we never see him actually do it?What the hell? One of the videos you showed me did indeed show Xemnas being in TWTNW, right in front of KH.But we never see this, you are just assuming he did.
Well it must have some power if Xemnas used it to summon KHoW to him.Merging with something "completely destroyed"?He could have easily just made KH in his own world and merged with its broken remains... Which is what 99% of the KH community believes.
I've spoken to a lot of KH fans and you are the first one to come up with this scenario of how the ending happened in KHII. Fan sites or official sites never state anything about Xemnas summoning and merging with KHoW.Also, lol at the fake statistic.
Saix said Hearts form KH in Darkness when left to their own devices. I don't think that constitutes as a direct reference to KHoM was forming in the Realm of Darkness, especially since we know Org.XIII was responsible for the gathering of hearts there.Let's see:I have never once seen a reference or interpretation from any source that says what you think happen as being true.
The game says KH is in the Realm of Darkness.
Saix said the KH of Men was forming in the Realm of Darkness.
Xemnas didn't go to the Realm of Darkness, yet still got KH while he was in TWTNW.
Xemnas never entered the Realm of Dark cause KHoM was in TWTNW.
Once again, we don't know what Mickey was doing during that whole time and once again, Xemnas doesn't bother forming KHoM until Roxas joins the Organization in 358/2Dude, we see Mickey in BBS with a Keyblade.By waiting for another Keyblade Master that took 10 years...
Cause ruin obviously only has one actual definition. The other definitions there don't mean anything cause they don't support my theory."Merging with something 'completely destroyed'"He didn't bring it to himself either. He just merged with his broken one in TWTNW.
But at the same time, he uses this "completely destroyed KHoM" to summon KHoW.
Yet I find it hard to believe that a person with such strength could fall to Sora and the others even after supposedly summoning KHoW and absorbing its power. He even gets Riku and Sora by themselves and still loses. He may be powerful but I feel you are giving him greater credit than he actually deserves. His god mode either really sucks or he never obtained the level of power some people believe he did.But you're not denying that he DID do it. And no matter HOW he did it, all that matters is that it DID happen, meaning he can indeed affect hearts across different realms. Whether by his own power or something else doesn't matter. But it isn't hard to believe that it was his own power, what with that one scene in KH2 showing him actually clustering the Hearts and the fact that Nomura says Xemnas is the most powerful person in KH so far (even before he absorbed KH).We don't even know how he does this, for all we know he has a machine that is doing this or even The Castle That Never Was could be the antenna that attracts the Heartless. You are assuming this is caused by his power when there are other likely scenarios.
Like yours is any better. KHoW exists in the Realm of Darkness, Saix said KHoM is forming in the realm of darkness (which he never said) thus it has to be there despite Xemnas walking up to it and touching it and absorbing its "completely destroyed" power to summon the real KHoW which never actually appeared.It really isn't shaky at all, since your entire argument against it is "the game doesn't directly tell you that you're right."Til you can give in-game proof he's directly gathering the Hearts your argument is still on really shaky ground.
Definition of Like. Like Definition | Definition of Like at Dictionary.comHey, I can easily do what you're doing too.“like a moon that floats in the World that Never Was.” You can't beat evidence from both the creator and the scenario writer (the hack he is).
"like a moon that floats in the World that Never Was."
"Like" as in, similar to, but not exactly [in TWTNW]. Destiny Islands is "like" a star that floats above Traverse Town. Yen Sid's Tower is "like" a train ride away from Twilight Town. The reality is though, DI and Traverse Town are separate, and so is YST and Twilight Town. And so is KH and TWNTW.
1. of the same form, appearance, kind, character, amount, etc.: I cannot remember a like instance.
2. corresponding or agreeing in general or in some noticeable respect; similar; analogous: drawing, painting, and like arts.
3. bearing resemblance.
4. Dialect. likely: 'Tis like that he's gone mad.
5. Dialect. about: The poor chap seemed like to run away.
Read the other definitions, if you want. It just defines it as bearing similarities to it but not being it, it looks "like" a moon as in resembles not that its treated like one. Nomura and Nojima said KHoM is "in" TWTNW. Just because it resembles a moon does not mean it actually positioned like a moon. Planets look like stars in the night sky without a telescope but it hardly means they are the same distance.
"In" on the other hand...
- 1. (used to indicate inclusion within space, a place, or limits): walking in the park.
- 13. in possession or occupancy
- 19. located or situated within; inner; internal: the in part of a mechanism.
- Within the limits, bounds, or area of: was hit in the face; born in the spring; a chair in the garden.
- Within a place, as of business or residence: The manager is in before anyone else.
- So as to include or incorporate: Fold in the egg whites
- Located inside; inner.
So yeah, Nojima and Nomura have suggest KHoM doesn't work with the same rules as KHoW. Since we have a KH "in" a World of In-Between. It was artificially created so it does make sense that it wouldn't need to follow the same rules of a true KH.
All I'm suggesting is that darkness doesn't mean Realm of Darkness exclusively.He sure doesn't mean "TWTNW" when he says darkness. But again, you'd have to be pretty close minded to think that Darkness =/= Realm of Darkness.As for Saix's speech, he only says Hearts gather in Darkness he never said the Dark Realm.
Which is apparently "completely destroyed" again? I wish you would get your story straight.Because he used OrgXIII to create the KH of Men, which he used to summon the KH of Worlds.Since KHoM is in TWTNW, it is highly unlikely that Xemnas has the power to summon KHoW from the Dark Realm cause once agin, if he had that power, why bother with Org XIII?
He could be suing a machine as well. I mean seriously. Xemnas has the power to collect hearts which is shown in the series, but we never see him collect the massive amounts of heart you are talking about. Once again, he may be using a device, or Nobodies, or other means to gather the many Heartless, you have no evidence to suggest bringing together all the hearts and forming KHoM was done by him without some form of aid. Its not like we get to see pull a few million hearts out of a world at once.After all other Org members were dead, after Ansem blew up his KH of Men, he told Sora and gang to get more hearts for him. Had they actually did go collect more hearts for him, he implied that he could still use the hearts that they could've collected, when the rest of the Org was dead.Especially since we don't have any proof it was his power alone that summoned the Hearts to his world.
You're getting nowhere with this "no proof" stuff.
If he had the pure power to do this by himself, once again, why would he need Org XIII?
Cause he can't absorb it and become a demi-god, its "completely destroyed" that would be silly, now using it to summon KHoW to him makes so much more sense since its "completely destroyed".Absorb something that he said was "completely destroyed?" Wat.Yeah, he could absorb his broken one. He might not be a god but it could be more than enough to beat a bunch of kids with Keyblades and a talking rat, dog, and duck.
No it isn't. Ansem blast a whole into it and its hearts start to fall out. The KH at the top of the Altar of Naught has a hole in it and is completely unstable. He also looks at it and says "its ruined" and then begins to talk with it. Its still the KHoM. It never changes except for its size between Ansem damaging it and Xemnas absorbing it and this makes perfect sense cause we saw all those hearts spill out.The KHoM was completely destroyed by Ansem, though. As said by Xemnas himself. That was the KHoW that disappeared.Especially since his KHoM disappears after his first defeat from the party which is a pretty good hint to what really happened.
If he summoned KHoW, you would think we would have gotten a light show or something cause obviously summoning the McGuffin of the game is a big deal.
I used my words carefully, I said it had an influence of darkness it doesn't mean it is darkness.TWTNW isn't darkness. The Realm of Darkness is Darkness.Yeah, Darkness, not Realm of Darkness, not that the End of the World, Hollow Bastion, and TWTNW don't count as worlds that have a powerful influence of Darkness.
Except Nojima and Nomura say its "in" TWTNW so yeah, I'd say I have the more canonical argument here.Everything you mentioned except TWTNW can be easily crossed off, since we know and see that the answers aren't even remotely close to everything else, based on what we see in the game. So you're left with:
Some in-between world = Darkness
and
The Realm of Darkness = Darkness
Yeah, kinda easy to tell who's got the better one here. Even if what I say isn't 100% certain, it's still undoubtedly better than yours.
So since KH isn't directly said to be a world or not, its now no longer a lousy argument? I love this "Do as I say, Not as I do" theory of arguing.Only if you don't bother paying attention to what actually happens in the game and the rest of what he says. Just because something isn't directly said about something, does not make it lousy.This one very vague line is pretty lousy proof of anything.
Like = similar not total agreementNot really. "Like" =/= total agreement.Nomura and Nojima agree with me.
In = located or situated within among other meaning that mean KHoM is actually located in TWTNW
I don't think you can get any clearer than that.
Once again, like mainly deals with appearance not properties. Just because KHoM lloks like the moon doesn't mean it follows any of the same properties. This also does not change the fact that its in the world. Even if it was located the same distance as the moon for this world as ours, its still doesn't mean its outside of the world. Especially since we don't see any other worlds working like our solar system. The Winnie the Pooh World alone proves you can have a sun and moon and both are actually part of the world. You have not proven anything.The point is, you're saying that you can see KH from TWNTW as a moon, but you can also see DI as star from TT. Yet DI and TT are separate, so is KH and TWTNW. I'm talking about when Donald says "Look! A star/DI went out!" What you thought wasn't even close.Um... no. Traverse Town is a completely different world from Destiny Island and not anywhere close to it.
What part of masterless and free did you miss in his speech? He's talking about the nature of hearts not Xemnas mad weaving skills.I can say that thread weaves together to form clothing, but that doesn't mean that it does it by itself. Xemnas being responsible is painfully obvious with that one scene where you see him clustering the hearts together.No, he actually says they do it themselves. He never said Xemnas was responsible.
Yes, cause it can be used to summon KHoW off screen!"Something completely destroyed isn't useless at all!"Once again, its not enough power to achieve his goal, it doesn't mean its was useless.
I don't recognize that words have more than one definition and how each of them can actually be applicable.KHoW is swirling with power, KHoM was completely destroyed and useless.KHoM is still swirling with power as he makes this declaration. His plans are ruined but it doesn't mean KHoM was useless for something else.
"I don't know what completely destroyed means!"Only enough to screw over his goal of world domination. The thing still has some juice
Except I know better, and pay attention in most cutscenes.Sorry, but KHoM was completely destroyed. But if you replace every KHoM with KHoW, you've got a true statement.watch swirling power emanating from the KHoM in the videos I unlinked. When he asks for help, both him and the KHoM are being enveloped together with power coming from KHoM. His whole dialogue is him pleading with the KHoM to give him power in exchange for him giving it more hearts.
Sorry, I missed the part where "us" only meant Xemnas. Its a plural form of a pronoun usually used to signify more than one person so unless Xemnas treats his body and soul as separate entities its obvious he's including KH (which he's talking to) into his entourage. This dialogue just further proves he's speaking to KHoM."Hinder us" means that Sora and gang were going to kill Xemnas so that he couldn't merge, not that they were going to destroy KHoW. How can you not get something that simple?The last line is interesting to note cause how is Sora and Co. a hindrance to KHoW? Obviously he is talking to the broken KHoM which was hindered by Ansem and Co.
Except you are misinterpreting the definition of ruin and suggesting it only has one meaning despite the physical evidence shown in the game suggesting that its other definitions are much better suited.. KHoM gets hole blown into it. KH at top of CTNW has hole in it. They look exactly the same except for size after the damage.The KHoM was completely destroyed by Ansem. Xemnas even admitted that the KHoM was completely destroyed. How more obvious do you need to be to say that KHoM was gone?His entire dialogue with KH is directed right at KHoM which he is facing. KHoM disappears after he is defeated by Sora and Co. the first time. How more obvious do you need to be to say he absorbed KHoM?
But he could easily make the KHoH by absorbing the power of KHoW within a terribly short amount of time. Meaning he would never had needed KHoM to be complete cause all he would need is enough power to summon KHoW to him. Then he could create the other with little effort. This is a terribly illogical not to do.But there's 2 KH's. How is it retarded to want all and not just half? Just cause you don't like it, doesn't mean it's wrong.Which would be completely retarded to say if he actually absorbed KHoW cause he would technically have the power that is the foundation of the universe of KH. You would think he wouldn't need KHoM at that point.
Accept he wouldn't be crying around about KHoM being 'completely destroyed" if he did. He would have announced he summoned KHoW, and would have flatten the party and gone off to subjegate the world and make himself even stronger. By you theory, Xemnas is not only an idiot but a a whiny crybaby.The purpose of KHoM was to get KHoW, which he managed to do; Ansem was too late.Because it defeats the entire purpose of making KHoM...
When dealing with people traveling through them. Nothing ever talked about the effects on a lone heart without a shell.You missed the part where they corrupt hearts after "extended use."Besides, he couldn't use the Dark Corridors to gather the Hearts since those passage ways can corrupt Hearts. They should all be turning into Heartless due to the corruptible nature of the CoD.
You mean when they appear above the heartless and disappear in thin air. Yeah, they leave but its never said to be a Dark Corridor it doesn't even vanish like a normal person does when using the Dark Corridor.We see the the hearts disappear during that scene with Saix in Hollow Bastion. The only person who doesn't seem to know anything is you.We don't even know how Hearts travel when they are free from a Heartless.
Beginning in 358/2 but what about before that? Like when the Worlds are restored at the end of KH1....but they weren't. Because Xemnas was controlling the path of the hearts.For all we know, they travel through another path unique to them to return to their original body.
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Didn't completely derail the thread, did I?
