How can Kingdom Hearts appeal more to mainstream Disney fans?

[Goldenboko]

Video games in general are underground in American pop culture. It's not on the same level as movies and music.

No, it is not underground at all.

Video games aren't on Billboards because they don't need to be. Word of mouth works incredibly well with games. Game companies can strategically release a few tidbits of info, game trailers, and etc. then let online forums do the rest of the work for them. It costs a lot, lot less then billboards, or getting into the New York Times, and if you look at many games sales, putting more effort in would be unnecessary. Mass Effect 2, Halo, and CoD are the only games that I can think of that use commercials because let's face it, they're so huge they just wanted to build a bit of hype to really buff sales. But let's face it, would people have not heard of Call of Duty without the Modern Warfare Two trailer in commercials?

Let's review what SM originally said in the beginning of this topic.

they should have extensive coverage on the Disney Channel

more music from Disney Channel

His current view is now devolved into:

I just said that I wanted it to be in Entertainment magazine and advertised in the same was as movies are: on billboards.

You're not even trying any more.

This is a forum, not some game that includes winning or losing. One does not "lose" when it comes to his or her views. They can be wrong, but people aren't "competing" in the conversations.

[RedPouch]

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Is this even a real topic anymore?

[PuPu]

This is a forum, not some game that includes winning or losing.

Arguments and debates can be lost, and this happened to SM ~150 posts ago.

One does not "lose" when it comes to his or her views. They can be wrong,

lose, wrong
toe may toe, toe mah toe,
etc, et cetera

They can indeed lose when it comes to views when they don't even remember what their original views were, exactly as I said.

but people aren't "competing" in the conversations.

That doesn't mean that SM didn't lose. You're taking things too literally here.

[RedPouch]

I think he just keeps ignoring key posts/arguments made against him and only responding to specific ones with really general-sounding questions so he can keep the topic going on and on.

[Goldenboko]

"lulz lulz lulz lulz lulz srs bsnss srs bsbss, argument, fight."

I'm not being too literal at all, my point was, I really doubt supermillionare is trying to compete here, merely talk about and discuss what he thinks, so let him do so until we are properly derailed and the thread crashes, burns, and dies never to be seen again in the netherforum. Don't try him shut him down because "He losses at talking >:000000" it's seriously annoying.

EDIT: And that's all I have to say about that so the thread may continue and not be derailed over stupid bickering.

[SuperMillionaire]

I'm not competing with anyone here; I have nothing against any of you.

[RedPouch]

I'm not competing with anyone here; I have nothing against any of you.

No, but you seem to have amazing determination towards making sure you don't listen to anyone at all.

[PuPu]

I'm not being too literal at all, my point was, I really doubt supermillionare is trying to compete here,

Nobody said that he was trying to compete.

merely talk about and discuss what he thinks, so let him do so until we are properly derailed and the thread crashes, burns, and dies never to be seen again in the netherforum.

Have you even read any of his posts in this topic? Everyone has been talking and discussing what he thinks and end up with "No, you're wrong because I didn't see it myself "

Don't try him shut him down because "He losses at talking >:000000" it's seriously annoying.

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And that's all I have to say about that so the thread may continue and not be derailed over stupid bickering.

This thread has been essentially been going in a circle for the past 200 posts. Hell, it's blatantly obvious to everybody that SM has stopped trying a long time ago.

[SuperMillionaire]

The thing is, I can anticipate what you guys have said to me; and some of it was indeed what I have anticipated, so I do this to defend myself in advance. I'm sorry, but I guess I never seem to realize I'm doing something wrong as I do it; it's not until AFTER I've already done it that I realize it. It's okay to disagree with me, and I still think some of my ideas can be good, but I don't intend on clashing with you.

[PuPu]

Since when is "disagreeing and giving reasons why" the same as "clashing" or "competing?"

[SuperMillionaire]

I don't know, but it seems as if I was starting to annoy you...

[RedPouch]

It isn't. This topic is just a group of people and someone who doesn't like listening arguing about a bunch of nonsense.

I don't know, but it seems as if I was starting to annoy you...

"Starting" to? You're comfortable with the use of the word "starting" are you? Pretty sure you started to drive everyone in here nuts like 100~ish posts ago. This doesn't seem any different at all from your surnames topic.

[SuperMillionaire]

I'm sorry, I didn't mean it; that was not my intention.

[Mercen-X]

(SPOILER)

Want Kingdom Hearts advertised to Disney audiences better? One good way to try this would be to go through the legal work and maybe make some rides in Disneyland or Disney World based on Kingdom Hearts.

The mile-high climber numero uno monstrous singular galactic elemental object of brilliance to be most noted as an undeniably genius idea by anyone anywhere and at any point in time... has finally just been made.

The thread had been pointless until this suggestion. I'm tired of typing words now, so I'll take a bre

Can you get those other fans to come here and join in on the discussion? I'm interested in hearing what they have to say.

I was going to say that.

Disney ChannelSo, SuperMillionaire wants to see KH ads on the Disney Channel. Disney has hundreds of other projects to advertise which they actually are in charge of producing. Naturally, a producer will advertise it's own product rather than another company's product which just coincidentally features some of their elements.

BillboardsDID YOU KNOW..? Did you know commercial advertising through any medium costs money out of the producer's pocket. Magazines, billboard companies, television stations, theatres, etc. none of them pay to advertise someone else's product. They get paid. Why would Square Enix or Disney waste money to advertise their product to a handful of people who are unaware of one product? Square Enix has a lot of more games that are well known and Disney has a lot more movies. Seriously, they don't care.

OtherI'm actually a fan of every entertainment medium, but even though I'd personally not mind seeing KH as a TV series or a movie, or hear its music on the radio, there's likely not a strong enough fanbase to warrant such things.

NewspapersAll right, so KH hasn't been mentioned in newspapers. Short of causing someone's death, Kingdom Hearts would have to be a significant part of world news to warrant a mention. It's just one game. Now all of Square Enix being mentioned, I could probably understand and would likely read it several times.

MagazinesThere are thousands upon etc. games being produced every year, yet despite what we'd like to believe, only a select few are worth mentioning at any time. Why would Entertainment magazine, which is devoted to all forms of Entertainment rather than just gaming, fill up its pages with news about a few games?
There are at least 50 gaming magazines that I've so much as heard of. Why can't that be enough?

So when running a survey and asking perhaps a hundred Disney fans about Kingdom Hearts, perhaps ten people know what it is. So 9 Disney fans out of ten don't know what it is. So 9/10 of Disney's fanbase are oblivious to KH. I'm sure you must be feel very lonely in that community of Disney lovers who aren't clambering to play KH with you, but I'm sorry to say it's still an insignificant tidbit. It's just not important for Disney's majority fanbase to be aware of Kingdom Hearts.

[Wolf Kanno]

Please stay on topic here and let's try not to corner and berate the OP of this thread while we're at it. Whether you disagree with them of not, this thread is important to them. If you can't say anything nice then don't post at all. Consider this a Warning to everyone in this thread.