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[Shattered Dreamer]

I suppose you could say I have as much fun with my XBL gaming experiences as you do playing with yourself furiously trying to prove the PS3's superiority in every possible way over the 360 because you hate Bill Gates hair or some other inane reason. Which I am assuming is a lot because it is all you seem to do.

...are you ok?

Despite agreeing with most of what Bolivar has been saying DK's message made me laugh until I was near tears

[Bolivar]

OOC:	On a one to ten scale, Bolivar, what would you rate Bill Gates' hair as?

lol apparently I think it's a -11

[Iceglow]

It's over 9000! (to begin this post with a meme because I admit I am critically overkilling the wall of text posts in this topic)

Bolivar's Guide to Online Gaming - Debunking Myths (lol jk)

TLDR: For those with attention deficiency disorders, here is a summarized snippet of the general ramblings for you to ponder over - - you can just look at headings to get the point

I. Stability - The PSN is faster, more stable, and more PS3 exclusives use dedicated servers

also whilst he thought the ps3 online was ok he noticed an immediate improvement in terms of stability and the speed of the servers finding games on CoD 4 much faster than he could on ps3.

Okay, this is the biggest myth on the internet that needs to be dispelled - XBox Live is not faster or more stable than PSN. How many times was XBox Live unexpectedly down this year alone? I can only think of once that's happened with PSN (and its free). Furthermore, a MTV multiplayer study found that in fact the PSN is faster than XBox Live.

Even if it wasn't, it doesn't matter what system you play a game on. Nearly every multiplayer game on ps3/360 uses P2P, not servers. This mean your connection speed and stability depends on the host of the game, not what network you're using. The only game on 360 I can think of that doesn't are the Battlefield games, but those servers are owned and operated by EA, and they use the same ones on all platforms.

At the same time, plenty of PS3 exclusives use dedicated servers whereas I can't think of a single 360 game that does. Resistance 1 & 2, Killzone 2, Warhawk, SOCOM, and MAG all use dedicated servers, meaning your experience will always be fast and stable no matter how you're playing them.

Why thankyou for being the sony fanboy of the thread, also since when was MTV a god like source of information? Really, lets face it...MTV - Music TeleVision...Who in all honesty can accept the findings of MTV with anything other than a huge dose of salt? MTV should really stick to what they do best, music television programs seriously. I'll listen to findings of my friends personal experiences with computer issues before I will take the advice of a company who would sell the directors mother to pimps if they thought they could make a buck from it. My mates with both 360's and PS3's have no reason whatsoever to lie to customers when a PS3 is £50 more for the basic console which is more money for their department which means they are more likely to get a bonus than with a 360 sale will willingly tell customers the 360 is better for online play. I consider that good enough for me. When it comes to making money we're all serious people especially when your annual wage is not fantastically great a bonus makes a difference if someone is still willing to sell the cheaper console to ensure their customer is satisfied then I'm going with them. Call it what you will.

II. Wireless - It works...

Wireless isn't essential and it's probably advisable to if possible use an ethernet cable to directly go from router to 360/PS3/Wii (yes this is true of all consoles) this is because any interference would directly affect your online play and it's VERY easy to disrupt a wireless internet signal even across such a short distance as a living room.

This simply isn't true. I've been using Wireless for over a year now and there hasn't been a noticeable difference from playing with ethernet. I use a decent $50USD one that's usually simultaneously used by 2 laptops while a 3rd laptops downloads. Even before that, I used a crappy one provided by the landlord, shared with 5 rooms in our apartment as well as our own. Even then, there was no noticeable difference from playing wired.

Where did I say it didn't work? I merely state the fact that wireless signals are incredibly easy to disrupt...this is true. Ask any person who has a neighbour on the same isp using wireless routers. The fact that both devices are emmiting their signal on the same default channel can cause huge ammounts of disruption. If there is interference from another network then your network adaptors are useless. This goes for PC's, consoles and anything else connected. In a move what betrays your lack of knowledge on the subject you are ranting about how many objects or computers are connected to the wireless router, nothing in my point related to that I am talking about external interferences the wireless connection to the router will be 100mbps regardless of the number of consoles/computer terminals connected. The router in most situations without any bandwidth control software will automatically divide the connection in to equal divisions of speed until it has allocated all it's possible bandwidth hence shutting down a few unused terminals can actually increase overall net speeds. I personally use wireless myself all I am pointing out is that Yearg need not spend $60 to pay for a wireless adaptor he could easily set up a bridge via a laptop or computer or even directly interface his 360 to the router via a ethernet cable.

III. The difference between XBL and PSN is now nominal; PS3 games have richer and more varied multiplayer experiences.

as others I am sure will agree, the 360 is the FPS gamers bread and butter when it comes to console gaming these days.

Over the last 3 years, Sony has been slowly chipping away at the differences in services provided between the two, and the only features remaining are a universal Party System and Cross Game (Voice) Chat. But if you can hop into games with friends on the PSN just as easily, what's the significant advantage XBox Live has? The only game that's been a hassle for me is Battlefield 1943, and even then the game had problems with the 360 Party System if I'm not mistaken. Furthermore, many games provide their own party systems like Resistance, Call of Duty, Little Big Planet, MAG, and Uncharted 2. XBL has a little more convenience, no doubt, but not much.

Moreso, I disagree with Iceglow and DK because I have to question what kinds of game experiences you're having on XBL once you get into matches. It seems to me that 360 games just provide the same generic multiplayer modes that have been the norm for the last 15 years.

I would argue the PS3 has better online games. SOCOM and Warhawk are 32 player tactical shooters, the latter with a variety of vehicles on land, sea, and air. You can hop into a friend's game in Little Big Planet and build a level together. Killzone 2 is up to 32 players with dynamic matches with a deep class system boasting an impressive array of effects. Resistance 2 is up to 60 players on massive maps also with dynamic matches. Demon's Souls is arguably innovating the community experience of RPG's. And MAG, well, I think that goes without saying.

I'm sorry but Warhawk might offer 32 player matches which would be amazingly awesome for any console but it's still just an FPS with the same old 15 modes you've played for years. Sure 32 is a big number however, I can say from playing on my friends ps3 in Swansea I experienced lag on Warhawk, trouble connecting to the game, long loading times for the game. In fact for the people who play halo 3 or have played halo 3 it was no real different from playing a big team social on Valhalla Heavy mode, excepting the loading times were longer I had time to go make a cup of tea even and so was the game search. In the game to compensate for the 32 players respawn times were longer and I often found it fraustrating since 32 players means getting the equipment you need to play the game on an even footing with most of the veichles in the game is hard to do, much more so than in Halo where as a last resort a BR and a couple of sticky grenades will see you through until you can acquire a better anti-veichle weapon.

IV. Conclusion

I totally agree XBL is a solid service that gives you convenience for your money, but in no way is it faster or more stable. Wi-Fi is an awesome feature to have in your box. Lastly, the PSN is all but caught up with XBL, but even then, I would say the PS3 library gives you more to choose from and experience when it comes to online multiplayer.

The PS3 library offers no more variety than the 360 to claim otherwise is to disregard a good many games the PS3 simply doesn't have and to also focus entirely on a singular genre of game. If we take away the cross platform games then your argument falls entirely flat on it's face considering the fact that there is a greater variety of games exclusive to the 360 most PS3 exclusives fall in to the same categories whereas the 360 exclusives tend to spread across all categories. I'm merely ignoring your evidence from MTV surveys because as I said, MTV is not an impartial computer expert company they are a company after profit.

Moreso, I disagree with Iceglow and DK because I have to question what kinds of game experiences you're having on XBL once you get into matches.

fantastic ones thanks, I have had many hours of entertainment trolling people with Psy (usually Steve) on Halo 3, great times exploding aliens with chainsaws and fighting for my life in the corner of a map on GoW in Horde mode, one of the best gaming experiences in my life playing through the entire of SR2 with Psy tearing up a full on sandbox game world as, among others, B.A Baracus and Mad Murdoch, the Chuckle Brothers, Uncle Phil and Carlton etc, not to mention co-oping entire campaigns in other games such as ODST and GoW, having parachute wars on the excellent GTA IV episodic addons The Ballad of Gay Tony and The Lost and Damned among other things, gathering lots of innocent citizens around with our beautiful lute playing in Fable II only to spam god level lightning spells on them etc etc. And yes having universal party systems and the ability to have private chats open with just all of my friends in the same party vastly improves the multiplayer experience in its own right. I suppose you could say I have as much fun with my XBL gaming experiences as you do playing with yourself furiously trying to prove the PS3's superiority in every possible way over the 360 because you hate Bill Gates hair or some other inane reason. Which I am assuming is a lot because it is all you seem to do.

This I quote because every damn word of it is a 100% truth we have destroyed worlds, and trolled the trolls, we have torn idiot rednecks (sorry americans but it was the only description me and Psy could make) limb from virtual limb with words and actions. In fact, it's become something of a sport for us. I have to admit without Dan and Psy, my gaming has become more boring and now I find even when I am merely exploring the wastelands of Fallout 3 I will sit there in party chatting away to Psy no matter the game he plays. That is why 360 and XBL is best in my opinion. Because at the end of the day, you can have better hardware, you can have faster speeds and anything else but without the people to play with there is nothing to do about it. It'd still damn suck.

[Serapy]

Iceglow, why would you call Bolivar a Sony fanboy when most of your posts in this thread seem to show that you support Xbox 360?

Anyways, I have a 60GB PS3 (with BC support) since three years ago and I'm happy with it. A quality HDTV with a PS3 (cheaper Blu-Ray) is just good enough for me. I don't play online that much but if I do, it's always free. That's one of the main reasons why I don't own a 360; why would I pay Microsoft $$ a year or a month when I don't play online that much? Not worth the price, my friend.

One of the main advantages PS3 offers is that it's secure (cannot be hacked), which is a good thing for the developers.

[Bolivar]

Iceglow, why would you call Bolivar a Sony fanboy when most of your posts in this thread seem to show that you support Xbox 360?

I know, here I was thinking we could have this discussion without calling eachother fanboys... This is EoFF not Gamespot, dammit!

Iceglow, what you said is pretty circumstantial. Just b/c it's MTV doesn't mean there can never be any inherent truth to their findings. They're methodology isn't all that great, I concede, but it goes to show that there is no inherent speed or stability advantage of XBox Live.

And I'm surprised you still insist this, because you're usually the one schooling everybody on tech stuff. These games are P2P. Because of that, you have to know that it doesn't matter what system you play it on, it's all about the host's speed. That your friends find otherwise is only due to who and how they were playing it on any given day, as well as their imaginations.

About Wi-Fi, I understand you guys were discussing add-ons, I just wanted to state that Wi-Fi is a great feature to have built in and that it works just as well as Wired for most of us.

Lastly, I hope you guys know I was never questioning if you have fun or if the games are any good. I thought it was pretty clear that I was referring to the variety and depth of multiplayer experiences offered by each library.

Speaking of which, where is this great variety of games that the 360 has? I've never heard anyone posit this ever. And I wasn't restricting myself to one genre, last time I checked Little Big Planet and Demon's Souls aren't First Person Shooters.

[Iceglow]

Well Bolivar that was a little irony on my part (check the post it began with a damn meme fer christs sake!) don't take it personally because I'm messing with you a little. Although my posts seem to come across as a 360 diehard I will point out I am explaining this in a rational debate here where the vast majority of people on this site as Psychotic rightly put are vehemently against the Xbox 360. I don't own a PS3 it's true but as I have stated in this thread and others I'm only against 1 type of console and that is not the PS3 it's the Wii because frankly it's not a true console ihmo. I personally say having both the PS3 and the 360 gives a gamer the best of both worlds and it is in my longterm plans to have a PS3 in my posession alongside my 360.

Yes the gameplay is p2p but the servers used to set the games up, matchmaking/gamesearching ect that is server based and I'm sorry but every experience I have had with PS3 leads me to believe it to be slower than finding a game via Halo 3 or other 360 games. Then again the main game I play online is Halo and I guess I shouldn't be so hard on other titles/consoles Halo has award winning online matchmaking services even against the games that have come since.

MTV often rates things on their bling factor and I'll give the ps3 that it certainly does have bling factor which is why I won't accept MTV as a serious testing body they simply cannot be trusted not to skew results merely because Sony or Microsoft threw them some cash. To go off topic music magazines aren't ever really a trustworthy form of media I remember a music magazine called Kerrang went on for a good year about how much Linkin Park suck as a band and everything they done was wrong. This was because Casey Chaos didn't like them. All of a sudden Metallica turned out in support of Linkin Park, touring with them, saying their music was inspiring to them ect ect...Kerrang now loves Linkin Park and has pretty much denied ever being anything but worshippers of the band...thats just 1 example of why I don't feel any music magazine organisation is particulary trustworthy.

Heres some fun examples of online games from 360 for you:

Fable 2
Too Human (yes it's flawed but it is fun to play)
Gears of War
Forza 3
Project Gotham Racing 4
Halo Wars
Halo ODST
Halo 3
Dead or Alive 4

Out of those games there and there are lots more it must be said only 3 are shooters, 1 is a beat em up game and 1 a strategy, Fable is an RPG, Too Human is a dungeon crawler type RPG and 2 of them racing games unique to the 360. Also with Arcade games like Castle Crashers available on the 360 for more multiplayer fun I'm going to end my post here.

[Madame Adequate]

The 360 is superior to the PS3 in every way.

Even superior at smurfing breaking.

[Slothy]

The PS3 library offers no more variety than the 360 to claim otherwise is to disregard a good many games the PS3 simply doesn't have and to also focus entirely on a singular genre of game. If we take away the cross platform games then your argument falls entirely flat on it's face considering the fact that there is a greater variety of games exclusive to the 360 most PS3 exclusives fall in to the same categories whereas the 360 exclusives tend to spread across all categories.

I was ready to just let your arguments slide because there's no way to prove one way or the other for pretty much any of them, and you'll certainly never be convinced. Then you had to go and say something that is clearly not true to anyone who doesn't have their head up Microsoft's butt. I will fight you on the notion that the 360 has more exclusives in a greater variety of genres all day, and you know what, I'd be right. Don't believe me? Allow me to break it down for you.

PS3 exclusives and their genres:
Valkyria Chronicles - Strategy RPG
Uncharted and Uncharted 2 - Third Person Shooters (which feature a colour palette other than brown thankfully)
Little Big Planet - 2D Platformer
MGS4 - Third Person stealth, or shooter depending on how you play.
Killzone 2 - FPS
Demon's Souls - RPG
Wipeout HD - Racing
Ratchet & Clank Future - 3D platformers
Resistance 1&2 - FPS
inFAMOUS - super hero sandbox game
Motorstorm - Racing
Warhawk - Third person shooter/vehicular combat
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue - Racing
Echochrome - badass puzzle game
Fat Princess - you know what, I'm not sure what genre Fat Princess falls in, but it's not like any other game on this list

And for the 360 side of things:
Gears of War 1&2 - Third Person shooters
Halo 3 - FPS
Forza Motorsport - Racing
Project Gotham Racing - Well, you can figure that one out
Dead or Alive 4 - Jiggle physics simulator
Halo 3:ODST - FPS
Dead Rising - Action
Crackdown - third person shooter/sandbox game if I'm not mistaken
Saints Row - Sandbox game
Fable 2 - Action RPG

I've probably left some out on both sides, but if it isn't becoming quite obvious, people who feel like doing something other than shooting things or racing cars are gonna feel a little left out in the cold on the 360. Sure you could say that multiplatform titles can fill in the gaps, but then there's no argument for the 360 over the PS3 in terms of variety.

If you think I'm wrong about this feel free to argue it. Just be sure to bring some actual examples to the table.

EDIT:Just saw your last post with a few of the other titles that I missed. I'd say even adding those genres the best you can argue is that things are fairly even. Again though, feel free to prove me wrong.

[ljkkjlcm9]

^^^
that's exactly why I prefer a PS3 to a 360. The exclusive games on the PS3 for me are more varied and suit my interest more.

thought,
Magna Carta 2 and Lost Odyssey are 360 exclusive RPG's that interest me. But lucky for me, my roommate has both.

THE JACKEL

[Yeargdribble]

This thing has devolved quickly and I'm sure it's partly my fault. I originally just wanted to know what fueled the 360 lover's insistence that 360 was the superior console. I got my answer on that.

You can talk s**t about the crap that every company does and likewise you can talk about the amazing things each company does. Why does this mean you have to take sides at all?

It seems you can never mention the negative of any console without getting the backlash comparing it to any other console. It's always a pissing contest. Why is it impossible to talk about the failures/merits of any given system, even in comparison to the other consoles without saying there is a clear winner.

All 3 have exclusives. All 3 have great things. All three have crap things. Just because I (or anyone else) take issue with any issue about a console doesn't mean that I'm saying it is innately inferior to the others.

[Old Manus]

Best thread ever.

[Shattered Dreamer]

Best thread ever.

I have to agree with Old Manus, I haven't seen out right biased over the top flaming like this that was actually entertaining & not just mere nerd jousting in years. EoFF rules

[NeoCracker]

I'll just say, being a pS3 owner myself, the online issues aren't nearly as bad as people make them out to be. I've head many solid play experiences with Tekken 6, Blaz Blue and Demon Souls online.

Not saying it's inherently better then 360, or that they are the same, just that people exaggerate it far more then necessary.

[Shoeberto]

I'll just say, being a pS3 owner myself, the online issues aren't nearly as bad as people make them out to be. I've head many solid play experiences with Tekken 6, Blaz Blue and Demon Souls online.

Not saying it's inherently better then 360, or that they are the same, just that people exaggerate it far more then necessary.

Yeah, it's really not that it's broken or anything. It really does work pretty well. It's just as far as social features go it just doesn't hold a candle to XBL. But if you need to just get on and game with no frills it's not that bad.

[Depression Moon]

I would say go with the most technologically advanced system.

I like PS3 overall and for me it has more exclusives that I want than 360, not that there's nothing that interests me on the 360 because there is. pS3 just outweighs them.

PS3
Uncharted
Uncharted 2
Ratchet & Clank
Ratchet & Clank Quest for Booty
Ratchet & Clank A Crack in Time
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Heavenly Sword
Heavy Rain
God of War III
Killzone 2
Resistance 2
Little Big Planet

360
Lost Odyssey
Halo 3
Gears of War 2
Fable II
GTAIV Espidoes of Liberty City
Mass Effect
Mass Effect 2
Alan Wake
Braid

To Vivi22. Little Big planet is far more than a platformer. Whgen you find stuff online a good chunk of it doesn't even fall under platforming. You can make almost anything you want.