Quote Originally Posted by Yeargdribble View Post
First, you're comparing apples and oranges. You're talking about MSRP on the Wii controllers and using a discounted price you can find from a retailer on the 360 controllers to make your point. I can also find all Wii controller bits for considerably less than MSRP. That's why I was using MSRP as the zeroing point. You're then trying to inflate your point by talking about the price of a set of 4 vs the cost of 1 or 2. It makes your argument seem more compelling because you're throwing out a bigger number, but it's a misnomer.
I'm not using any discounted prices, the prices I am using in the UK are the official RRP prices. If I was to mention discounted prices I would be deducting 30% of all the prices of the controls since that is my current level of staff discount. Also I would point out that the Wii Nunchuck actually falls in to a 2 for £30 offer which also includes SD cards and games. I used the base price of these units from the UK, it seems that America is being dicked more on the price of console periphials than the UK, however my point still stands. Even if we took 4 wireless 360 controllers it would still only come to the same cost as 4 ps3 controllers, something Nintendo do need to answer for when they charge £100 more nearly.

This is quite anecdotal and I don't see where you're getting this from. I've had the same two Wiimotes for about 3 years now and they are fine despite plenty of play. I've never heard any complaints about how well they hold up before.

I was really really going to try to avoid this, but your argument reeks of irony as you seem to ignore the RROD. If you want to talk about maintenance and shoddy devices that break down you shouldn't try to do so in comparison to the 360.
I get the Wii remote faults from the number of times customers come in and say they are buying a replacement pad to me. That is fine however you here are comparing apples and oranges, the RROD is a fault yes, however Microsoft now offer a free 5 year warranty on all Xbox 360 consoles which covers the RROD as standard. The Wii controller systems are not covered in the Nintendo Wii Console warranty and cannot be covered by 3rd party replacement covers or extended warranty not to mention the Wii comes with a standard 1 or 2 year warranty. If you wished to compare issues with the periphials you should be looking for faults with the PS3 or 360 controllers to compare, something I haven't managed to find many apart from gamers throwing the control in a pique of rage.


You can use a wireless router in lieu of the wireless adapter and get a lot better value. MSRP on the MS WNA is $100 while a decent router is only $60. You can get far more functionality out of the router as you an hook it to several other devices and use it as a bridge to your primary router for all of them. It's what I'll be doing without a doubt. It just takes a little extra setup.
Why would you bother doing this unless you only have an ADSL modem and not a router? Ok heres a simple thing to do, most normal routers have 4 ethernet ports and you can simply place a networking cable between the 360 to one of those and connect to the internet through your main router. You could also bridge it by networking the 360 in to the ethernet card of your PC and sharing the connection. The idea of buying another router for your home to connect your 360 too is mildly disturbing and like I said, the wirless adaptor in the UK at least has fallen in price dramatically so I would assume the wireless adaptor has in America too (also to note, it has no proprietary features apart from the fact that it is designed to clip smoothly and discreetely to the rear of the console as for connecting to the machine it plugs in via a rear usb port hence I believe any network adaptor will work)


You're probably right that I overstated it. I don't even consider the controller chargers necessary and don't have one for my Wiimotes. When I'm talking about the MS crap I'm talking about the proprietary wireless adapter and proprietary HDs. Sure your console is functional without them, but less so than it could be. You would probably be more likely to upgrade that HD if it wasn't so costly to do so. The fact that you have to shell out a huge amount of money for a wireless adapter is sad not only because you have to buy one, but because it was made to be needlessly proprietary and therefore far more expensive
You definitely overstated it. I actually am not upgrading my hard drive because as with both the 360 and the PS3 the transfer of data between two of them is not as simple as a PC to PC or even memory card and I am pretty lazy with it and therefore won't bother. I will probably upgrade once I have absoloutely no choice but for now I have still got over half my hard drive empty. The USB wireless adaptor I made a point about above, it's simply that usb the only proprietary facts about it is that it clips to the rear of the casing very nicely and flush as far as I am aware it is simply an 804.2g network adaptor. The hard drive is another matter yes but then if you were serious about getting a 360 you'd honestly not even consider an Arcade unit sensibly, you would be looking at the Elite or the Super Elite.

In the end I think we largely agree on certain issues like the fact that basically all of the console companies suck. I don't really have that much more ire for the 360 than any of the others, it's just that certain issues stick out to me. Primarily are the proprietary things they put in place where a standard could be used. This pissed me off so much about the PSPGo going to a proprietary USB cable instead of the standard cable that everyone probably has half a dozen of lying around their house. This forces the consumer down a narrow path and that always upsets me.
It's true we are agreeing in a lot of places, all companies dick us over it's the way of life however I do feel you're getting mixed up in places as to the level of proprietary periphials for the 360 and that for me is annoying because it isn't half as bad as you make it sound.

I really didn't want to get into all of this when I started the thread. Mostly I just wanted to see what everyone was talking about being so awesome on the 360 because I wasn't seeing it. I found the answer. It's mostly the FPSs that aren't on my radar but still appeal to a wide number of gamers. It's the superior online play (with the caveat of a fee).
I'm not attempting to put others of getting other brand consoles well apart from maybe the Wii but then I really don't like the Wii, it feels too gimmicky and too full of broken promises of what should have been hardware wise. and I didn't like the Cube either for that matter, though I did love the 64 and the SNES before that. Sony's PS3 and Microsoft's 360 are pretty damn even like DK said and like I initially agreed with the difference is that the 360 is more aimed at multiplayer gaming and the ps3 is more aimed at single player journeys. I would hapily own both if I could afford a PS3, (boo no staff discount on consoles and hardware) the difference in the two really is neglible though as others I am sure will agree, the 360 is the FPS gamers bread and butter when it comes to console gaming these days.