Tunnel

**Serapy** · 11-09-2009, 07:56 PM

Here's some extra information about the TC tunnel in this link: http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fan...tunnel-tc.html

But recently, I just found out that it wasn't just black birds that were travelling through the tunnel. Here's what I found:

So, it goes like this:

1) Time Compression starts.
2) Everything gets deformed; existing dimensions dripping into own liquid spheres.
3) Squall seen falling into the Ocean.
3) Then we get to see the Sky from other side of the Ocean.
4) A lot of black birds start appearing in the 'evening' sky.
5) The black birds start flying around together and then start forming into a tunnel.
6) The black birds travelling through the tunnel.
7) Some lightening strikes, the black birds then convert to white birds!
8) Hello, Ultimecia Castle.

This shows that the birds CAN change thier own form (from black to white or from white to black)
What does this say about Rinoa (White wings) and Ultimecia (Black wings) ?

**Kyros** · 11-09-2009, 08:01 PM

nothing

**Serapy** · 11-09-2009, 08:50 PM

It's ironic how the birds (at the end of the tunnel) brought you to Ultimecia's Castle, such birds that brought you there were White. And then Rinoa along Squall and Co. won (defeating Ulti). I wonder if this has something to do with Destiny?

As for the birds changing colour, it makes sense. When you watch Squall's FMV. You could see some parts of Rinoa turn black, and then turn white in the next second, rinse and repeat. Not to mention that one of the splitting images was that of Ultimecia.

Ultimecia possessed Rinoa... and eviled it up (Rinoa's wings turned black.)
But what about the other way around? Rinoa possessing Ultimecia and Ultimecia's wings turning white?

**Darth Cid** · 11-09-2009, 08:55 PM

It's nothing, you're pouring too much depth into an acid trip FMV.

**Serapy** · 11-09-2009, 09:03 PM

If it's part of the plot, then it's not nothing!

**leader of mortals** · 11-09-2009, 11:21 PM

You seem to have a lot of trouble with confusing atmosphere with plot. If I am watching a movie, and it is dark and thundering outside, and then a killer attacks, the killer is now made of lightning? No, the thunder is only there for atmoshpere, to scare people and to set the mood. If the thunder was not there, the killer would still attack.

How are these connected, you might ask? Atmosphere! The birds creating a tunnel and turning from white to black creates a very strong mood and is there to amaze the players of the game. Nothing more.

**Serapy** · 11-10-2009, 03:09 AM

The connection between Rinoa and Ultimecia is part of the plot.

Rinoa has White Wings. And if you look at her back, it looks like the wings of a bird.
Ultimecia has Black Wings. And if you look at her back, it looks like the wings of a bird.

Yet, you see living white birds and black birds in this tunnel. The lightning being struck was what triggered the black birds to change into white birds.

Therefore, they are all connected. The birds are here to represent something.

**Darth Cid** · 11-10-2009, 03:19 AM

Congratulations, you found the secret message. That FFVIII isn't about time or love, but about birds.

Look, I understand you have passion for a video game, but I see what symbolism on accident in "This guy are sick." being a typo in translation and I'm not even a big fan of VII, then I see in the entire context on FFVIII, they don't mean to shove hidden symbolism in this game.

**Serapy** · 11-10-2009, 03:29 AM

The wings are a two-sided symbolism. Just like Ultimecia's castle. This castle is a representation of Artemisia's castle that was created in memory of Mausolus.

In real life, Artemisia did exist a long time ago (in Greek times).
In history, there are two different Artemisias (Artemisia I of Caria and Artemisia II of Caria). I believe that Ultimecia is the representation of Artemisia II. From now on, I'm declaring Artemisia II as Artemisia.

Artemisia was a daughter of Hecatomnus.
King Mausolus (the ruler of Caria) was a son of Hecatomnus too.
At one point, Artemisia married Mausolus. They very much loved each other. Just like Squall and Rinoa.

Artemisia had an extraordinary grief (very very very very upset and angry) at the death of her husband Mausolus (he died young) and she went into despair. In FFVIII, Ultimecia also was in despair (crazy).
After his death, Artemisia drank Mausolus's ashes, all in proving herself that she survived Mausolus, similar to FFVIII, Squall almost died (revived by Rinoa, basically she survived him too).
Artemisia has built the tomb (Mausoleum of Maussollos) to honour Mausolus. Similar to Ultimecia's castle (assuming Squall died after the game) and it has a lion statue (a representation of great strength and pride). The Ultimecia castle may don't look exactly the same as the Artemisia's tomb but the notions are the same. If this is false, why do you think Ultimecia made her own castle?
Since Mausolus's death, Artemisia gained powers off him and she basically wanted to rule. Similar to FFVIII, Ultimecia (inside Edea) implied that she wanted to rule (becoming the reign).

This VIII game has a lot of symbolisms just like the other FF games.

**Darth Cid** · 11-10-2009, 03:36 AM

This VIII game has a lot of symbolisms just like the other FF games.

Well, first off, trying to say symbolism in a Final Fantasy game is directly connected to real life is pushing it. Now, I have to ask why do you not show us symbolism in other Final Fantasies?

I'm sure people would still disagree with you about your ideas, but it would interesting to see what you would think up about other FFs, but as of right now, you're only giving insight on FFVIII, and if memory serves, it's insight in one disc of FFVIII.

**Serapy** · 11-10-2009, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by Darth Cid

This VIII game has a lot of symbolisms just like the other FF games.

Well, first off, trying to say symbolism in a Final Fantasy game is directly connected to real life is pushing it. Now, I have to ask why do you not show us symbolism in other Final Fantasies?

The Final Fantasy games actually contain religious and mythological (lol dogma) pieces.

If something in VIII that appears once in a while, keeping in mind that the game tells nothing of its importance, then it's bound to be a symbolism.

I'm sorry I don't play the other FF games that much (apart from VII but not enough to make out of it). I'm only interested in this game. I'm sure that someone else have voiced thier findings that resemble certain things in the other FF games. Research...

Originally Posted by Darth Cid

I'm sure people would still disagree with you about your ideas, but it would interesting to see what you would think up about other FFs

LOL! I've been here since April 06 and for the life of me, I cannot count how many people that have disagreed with me so far. It's very inevitable that when you voice something so fresh on the Internet, someone is bound to disagree with you.

but as of right now, you're only giving insight on FFVIII, and if memory serves, it's insight in one disc of FFVIII.

It doesn't matter if my 'insight' came from this disc or the other disc. There are four discs mainly because of memory managment. The same plot affects all of the discs.

But either way, you can see Rinoa's wings earlier (Disc 3 and 2, I think) As well as her finger sign in Disc 1 and 4.

**leader of mortals** · 11-10-2009, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by Serapy

LOL! I've been here since April 06 and for the life of me, I cannot count how many people that have disagreed with me so far. It's very inevitable that when you voice something so fresh on the Internet, someone is bound to disagree with you.

It isn't that what you are saying is new, it is because you base all of your opinions, which you regard as absolute facts(which they aren't), are based off of nothing more than illogical, unrelated, unimportant pieces of the game. You may think of us as mean and cruel for not accepting your opinions, when in reality you are the one that is mean and cruel for not listening to anyone other than yourself, and people who agree with you.

**Barraza** · 11-10-2009, 05:25 AM

No, it proves the R=U theory.

The birds changing from black to white right before the arrival at Ultimecia's castle just shows that the developers were stressing that Ultimecia is actually good (because deep down she's Rinoa) and that her castle is meant to be good, because that's the place where she and Squall were supposed to meet.

**leader of mortals** · 11-10-2009, 05:37 AM

No, I still say it is there only for atmosphere, I believe you both are reading far too much into this.

**Serapy** · 11-10-2009, 05:38 AM

Um, your post is confusing but