On their you know whats!Originally Posted by Christmas
Birds? More like AXES to me!! Those aren't birds! AXES!!
On their you know whats!Birds? More like AXES to me!! Those aren't birds! AXES!!
When comparing to reality, time travel is illogical, magic is illogical, etc. Not to mention that the game / contradictory books mention nothing of relationships between Rinoa and Ultimecia. This is a Final Fantasy game. Fantasy world can lead to infinite possibilities! In VIII, there's no strong evidence that R is not U.
That still doesn't explain how/why players sense a bit of R=U when playing VIII. A lot of players have sensed this... and of course they deny it in the end because it's silly and embarrassing! They apply common sense and logic to VIII too much...
Explain why the book mentions something about the lifespans of sorceresses? Was it to hint that R cannot be U? If so, then it's still a contradiction because there are certain things in VIII that are pointing at R=U. It's not the first time that Ultimania has contradicted something.
Time travel is impossible in real life, and yet it is possible in VIII. The VIII world has many more possibilities and less limitations than our real world.... so why not?
Well, yeah. But if a lot of people have noticed a piece of R=U while playing VIII, then it's just more than Sephiroth/Barret or C/T...
It's relevant! For example... #1 person and #2 person:
#1 - Hey, I just started playing VIII...
#2 - Lucky you!
#1 - And I was wondering... Is it true that Rinoa becomes Ultimecia in the future!?
#2 - Impossible, impossible, impossible, impossible! Not true.
#1 - Oh ok, thanks!
Then that #1 probably will tell his friends or new players whenever they ask such a question...
Rinse and repeat!
There's this FAQ on GameFAQS that discusses about R=U by Sir B, of course. But there are too many lazy players and I doubt they will read the FAQ since it's a pretty huge white paper...
You do not know what illogical means. Such things are not illogical in and of themselves. Believing in them, against all evidence and logic, IS Illogical.
And there's no strong evidence that Cid isn't a killer cyborg. Your point?Not to mention that the game / contradictory books mention nothing of relationships between Rinoa and Ultimecia. This is a Final Fantasy game. Fantasy world can lead to infinite possibilities! In VIII, there's no strong evidence that R is not U.
We only work for what there IS evidence for, and the bigger the claim, the bigger the evidence.
Also, contradictory books? Does someone not like the FFVIII Ulti killing his pet theory?
They deny it because it's narratively bankrupt, supported by no substantial evidence, and utterly nonsensical.That still doesn't explain how/why players sense a bit of R=U when playing VIII. A lot of players have sensed this... and of course they deny it in the end because it's silly and embarrassing! They apply common sense and logic to VIII too much...
And are you actually trying to tell me common sense and logic are bad things?
It was to explain the confusion arising out of Edea's line about a sorceress not resting in peace until she's passed on her power. That is renders the R=U theory impossible is NOT a 'contradiction' with the game, it simply means what you thought were hints towards it are not.Explain why the book mentions something about the lifespans of sorceresses? Was it to hint that R cannot be U? If so, then it's still a contradiction because there are certain things in VIII that are pointing at R=U. It's not the first time that Ultimania has contradicted something.
Because there's no concrete evidence to support such a patently absurd notion, it would require Rinoa to jump forward an absurd amount of time after the events of the game, not remember who she is, and turn evil, ignoring Ultimecia's actual motivations and backstory, such as it is.Time travel is impossible in real life, and yet it is possible in VIII. The VIII world has many more possibilities and less limitations than our real world.... so why not?
Not in the slightest. A million people can be just as wrong as 50. This is pure ad populum, and not even cited ad populum.Well, yeah. But if a lot of people have noticed a piece of R=U while playing VIII, then it's just more than Sephiroth/Barret or C/T...
AND? Look, you say there's gotta be something to R=U because a lot of people believe it. But a lot more people don't. EVEN by the Ad populum fallacy, that means R!=U is winning over R=U.It's relevant! For example... #1 person and #2 person:
#1 - Hey, I just started playing VIII...
#2 - Lucky you!
#1 - And I was wondering... Is it true that Rinoa becomes Ultimecia in the future!? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
#2 - Impossible, impossible, impossible, impossible! Not true.
#1 - Oh ok, thanks!
Then that #1 probably will tell his friends or new players whenever they ask such a question...
Rinse and repeat!
There's this FAQ on GameFAQS that discusses about R=U by Sir B, of course. But there are too many lazy players and I doubt they will read the FAQ since it's a pretty huge white paper...
And did you never consider that #2 has dismissed R=U because it is such a baseless bit of totty?
I know you like this idea, but it's simply and utterly without support within the narrative or outside it. None of the themes require Rinoa to BE Ultimecia, and all the evidence is at best circumstantial and often less than such.
I agree, You don't have the proof or the support, the game doesn't throw itself into R=U no matter how much you try to tilt the picture and point., Rinoa has no obligation to be Ultimecia. Ultimecia is a different person completely, to say Ultimecia and Rinoa are one, be would be like saying Rosa in FFIV can cast Blue Magic, it's a fun concept you could fan fic about coming to pass, but official game wise there is no evidence to make it so, like a three legged chair it doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Saying that Ultimecia is a different person isn't justified. You don't see much of her backstory in VIII, compared to the ones of the main characters. No, the Ultimania doesn't count.
Saying that R=U has no support or proof isn't justified, either. The plot of VIII isn't exactly a cat-walk in the ultimate maze. There are so many things that need to be answered in VIII.
This is obvious and simple. VIII has represented a lot of symbolic things even in plot areas. Understanding these things by yourself can affect the plot. Symbolic things (or symbolisms) AND R=U are actually the same thing. They don't explictly tell you anything about them, they just show you, and that's it. So, proving or disproving these things are plain silly and wrong. Applying occam's razor to VIII where symbolisms are mostly used compared to other FFs... are again plain silly and wrong.
If you're kind of that person who demands evidence or logic for everything, go play a different game. VIII isn't for you.
You see more of her backstory than Sephiroth, Kefka, Golbez, etc. Because she tells us about it while she was possessing Edea.
Yes it does.compared to the ones of the main characters. No, the Ultimania doesn't count.
Most of them are completely minor, and answered by the Ultimania. That was its purpose.Saying that R=U has no support or proof isn't justified, either. The plot of VIII isn't exactly a cat-walk in the ultimate maze. There are so many things that need to be answered in VIII.
NO. Because you don't need factual R=U for narrative symbolism to work.This is obvious and simple. VIII has represented a lot of symbolic things even in plot areas. Understanding these things by yourself can affect the plot. Symbolic things (or symbolisms) AND R=U are actually the same thing.
If I didn't think you were a troll before, bridgedweller, that just sealed the deal.They don't explictly tell you anything about them, they just show you, and that's it. So, proving or disproving these things are plain silly and wrong. Applying occam's razor to VIII where symbolisms are mostly used compared to other FFs... are again plain silly and wrong.
If you're the person who doesn't like providing evidence for your absurd claims, go find a new hobby. Hypothesizing is not for you.If you're kind of that person who demands evidence or logic for everything, go play a different game. VIII isn't for you.
I mean in terms of character development.You see more of her backstory than Sephiroth, Kefka, Golbez, etc. Because she tells us about it while she was possessing Edea.
No, it doesn't. There are players' who don't understand the Ultimania (Japanese.) It's simple, if Square wanted to reclarify players' knowledges of the FFs, Square could of have added different languages support for the FFs, but they didn't.
So, you can't just rely on the Ultimania to understand everything.
Why should we believe Ultimania over the original games? Never mind that the Ultimania has a few contradictions and yet you still believe them.
When they create a specific FF, it'd be usually intentional. But then when Square re-analyses that specific FF, they would make changes and hence the Ultimania. That does seem to defeat the meaning of originity...
Japanese is known for adding meanings to thier films and games, unlike the West. So, relying on fact for proof or disproof is just wrong.
It's a shame that it's not possible for people to not get annoyed over text ...
I wasn't just talking about me or my claims, just in general. Seeing as how this game has a lot of symbolisms and meanings, and people relying on fact to reach conclusions... That's fine, but when it comes to things that don't tell us but show us, relying on fact is useless.
We got to know her when she was inside Edea. We still know her better than several other villians before her.
So, because you and other people don't understand the language it was released in, it doesn't count? Doesn't fly.No, it doesn't. There are players' who don't understand the Ultimania (Japanese.) It's simple, if Square wanted to reclarify players' knowledges of the FFs, Square could of have added different languages support for the FFs, but they didn't.
Based entirely on your premise that if it counted they would have released it in a language you could understand. Again, doesn't fly.So, you can't just rely on the Ultimania to understand everything.
Newer replaces older is generally the way of things.Why should we believe Ultimania over the original games? Never mind that the Ultimania has a few contradictions and yet you still believe them.
Contradictions, such as?
Considering 'originity' has no meaning, no, it does not.When they create a specific FF, it'd be usually intentional. But then when Square re-analyses that specific FF, they would make changes and hence the Ultimania. That does seem to defeat the meaning of originity...
Again, however, this is based on the idea that 'only the original counts' and that the Ultimania is an alteration rather than explanation. Both of which are basically invalid.
A: Which does not address, which is that the themes and meaning do not require R=U to be valid.Japanese is known for adding meanings to thier films and games, unlike the West. So, relying on fact for proof or disproof is just wrong.
B: Meanings in Japanese films and games ARE supported by facts, same as any other analysis of fiction in any other language.
C: Their, not thier.
You told me parsimony was useless, bridgedweller. This isn't about it being impossible to not get annoyed over text and your idea being utterly ludicrous.It's a shame that it's not possible for people to not get annoyed over text ...
... No, because things ACTUALLY shown to us are even more rooted in fact than things told us. What you are arguing, however, is not things shown or told, but things you assert.I wasn't just talking about me or my claims, just in general. Seeing as how this game has a lot of symbolisms and meanings, and people relying on fact to reach conclusions... That's fine, but when it comes to things that don't tell us but show us, relying on fact is useless.
Funny you should mention that, being I don't like FFVIII that much at all. But evidence is what a theory requires to be a theory, otherwise it's fan fiction.
I beg to differ, my friend.We got to know her when she was inside Edea. We still know her better than several other villians before her.
No, the point is that if Square wanted to ensure that a good amount of players worldwide get reclarified on thier knowledges, they could of have added multiple languages, but they didn't.
Actually, it's a valid point. If I understand the game's language but I couldn't understand Japanese, it would be silly and wrong for someone to tell me ''LULZ Ultimania tells ya otherwise".
I'm not to blame.
No, it ruins your first experience of playing a FF game and later found out that some of the information you have learnt turned out to be no longer true. It defeats the purpose of an originality. Ultimania is a very cheap tactic to change everything without any hassle.
Here's a good example that's similar to Ultimecia's plot, Ultimania states that Kefka was born in Thamasa, but that does not make sense within FFVI's plot for many reasons, obviously.
There are many other contradictions but most of them are minor, Cloud's birthday, for example.
originality <-> originity? You couldn't tell what a mispelt word looks like, could you? Now, that makes sense. You couldn't tell what a mispelt Greek word would look like, so then you say it's refering to 'ljakdkjnas jasndjnasd' or something.
Yes, it does. If something is created and later Ultimania changes that, it's no longer.... I don't know what's the right word to use, but hopefully you know what I mean.
So, all of thier meanings or symbolisms are all invaild?
I'm talking about meanings that can be drawn into many various conclusions.
Touché. It's becoming more apparent that your criticism of my English and calling me names are now part of your agruements. How illogical!
Don't use that 'parsimony' word, and don't make me become LYCHON!
:rolleyes2:rolleyes2
No. If you're using something that already exists within the game, it's not fan fiction.
And you'd be wrong.
Which doesn't invalidate the data in the slightest.No, the point is that if Square wanted to ensure that a good amount of players worldwide get reclarified on thier knowledges, they could of have added multiple languages, but they didn't.
Yes you are. You are to blame for dismissing its data out of hand just because you can't understand it.Actually, it's a valid point. If I understand the game's language but I couldn't understand Japanese, it would be silly and wrong for someone to tell me ''LULZ Ultimania tells ya otherwise".
I'm not to blame.
You are not to blame for not understanding it, but you are in essence saying 'Because I can't understand it, it does not count' and that is something to blame you for.
Not information you have learnt, but things you assumed to be true. And again, it is the prerogative of a creator to change their universe. You may not like it, but it's there.No, it ruins your first experience of playing a FF game and later found out that some of the information you have learnt turned out to be no longer true. It defeats the purpose of an originality. Ultimania is a very cheap tactic to change everything without any hassle.
1. There is technically no FFVI Ultimania.Here's a good example that's similar to Ultimecia's plot, Ultimania states that Kefka was born in Thamasa, but that does not make sense within FFVI's plot for many reasons, obviously.
2. That does not explicitly contradict anything said in FFVI.
3. It is irrelevant to the FFVIII Ultimania contradiction FFVIII. Please provide examples of these.
Cloud's birthday remained consistent throughout every Japanese source and was never mentioned in-game.There are many other contradictions but most of them are minor, Cloud's birthday, for example.
No, I could tell you were trying for originality, but I'm not in the mood to give you slack at the moment.originality <-> originity? You couldn't tell what a mispelt word looks like, could you? Now, that makes sense. You couldn't tell what a mispelt Greek word would look like, so then you say it's refering to 'ljakdkjnas jasndjnasd' or something.
And it's not a mis-spelt greek word. It is a random, meaningless assortment of Greek gibberish with a coherent word happening to come out of it.
The Ultimania takes precedence. That's how canon tends to work.Yes, it does. If something is created and later Ultimania changes that, it's no longer.... I don't know what's the right word to use, but hopefully you know what I mean.
I said not suggested no such thing. I SAID none of the meaning or symbolism require factual R=U.So, all of thier meanings or symbolisms are all invaild?
Then you are not talking about meanings.I'm talking about meanings that can be drawn into many various conclusions.
See also: my response to this blatant attempt to play the victim in the other thread, trolljob.Touché. It's becoming more apparent that your criticism of my English and calling me names are now part of your agruements. How illogical! :roll2
I can and will use the word Parsimony and its derivatives as often as it is appropriate.Don't use that 'parsimony' word, and don't make me become LYCHON!
And I'd forgotten about Lychon. You don't want to become him. He got thoroughly embarrassed and banned. He played semantic games constantly and failed rather utterly at them.
I accept your concession that these arguments are not based in fact in any form but purely on your afactual assertions.:rolleyes2:rolleyes2
But it's NOT in the original game. You are making things up, Serapy, and asserting they are in the original game.No. If you're using something that already exists within the game, it's not fan fiction.
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QFT. Thank you for saving me the trouble.But it's NOT in the original game. You are making things up, Serapy, and asserting they are in the original game.
Opinion =/= FactAnd you'd be wrong.
In terms of awareness, yes, it does.
So, if I don't understand Japanese, it's my fault? Right.
A game is designed to impress the audience with its original story. You play VIII from start to finish and you would then draw a conclusion based on what you've learnt from the game. Suddenly, some little text from a third party totally changes that perspective. What you have felt from the game is no longer true.
Here's a similar scenario: Albus Dumbledore in Harry Potter. At first, his fans didn't ever reach a point where they would question his sexuality. Later, Rowling has claimed that he was actually gay. Therefore, some persons' views on Albus begin to change. Feel that, eh?
Him being gay is now fact. The point is that it does ruin some experience.
No. On the VII's manual, it mentions that his birthday is 19th August. Yet, in AC and Ultimania mention that his birthday is 11th August. Not to mention that his sign in Final Fantasy Tactics appears to be Aquarius. Aquarius =/= August.
There are too many inconsistencies to write down here. You can find more somewhere.
The point is that if they have made mistakes, there's always a good chance that they will make same mistakes in the future. But that's uncommon, since they usually put additional detail on existing aspects of FFs. That's exactly what secured the credibility of Ultimania.
Don't agrue with me, then. You have already declared me as a troll, so why bother.
You an expert in Greek or something? If what you said is true, my greek friends would have said the same thing. Not to mention that they have never played VIII before!
You people have agreed with the conclusion of some painting at Ultimecia's castle. Remember the famous line? Where did that line come from? It's from something that has incorrect grammar, apparently!
I'd apply for that job at Square. When I have that job, I'd change something in the Ultimania to my liking. And then it will become canonised! How wonderful!
See, the original games are more important to focus on than things such as Ultimania.
R=U has about the same qualities as some symbolisms in VIII. The lions of Ultimecia, Griever, Rinoa finger sign at the Star, etc. The only difference is that they don't show up in dialogues.
You look at this non-dialogueous thing, and you become curious about what does it do. It's impossible for that thing to have only one possibility.
How was I supposed to acknowledge which thread will you reply to first?See also: my response to this blatant attempt to play the victim in the other thread, trolljob.Touché. It's becoming more apparent that your criticism of my English and calling me names are now part of your agruements. How illogical!
Although, you stopped replying to him; he was always the last. Same thing happened to Sir Bahamut.
I just find this absolutely hilarious and ironic. After the acknowledgement that I'm a troll (according to you), we would keep arguing. Yet, between people like Lychon and you will stop agruing at some point. Of course, people will stop arguing eventually, but not like this!
No.
Actually, what I did was removing visual images from the game and represent them here; such visual images that are not made up. Then, I'd make connections between said visual images. That's not even 100% fan fiction. A bit, but not all. No need to exaggerate.
And this is NOT a theroy!
Yes, and your opinion is not fact.
But awareness is not validity. You being unaware of valid data makes it no less valid.In terms of awareness, yes, it does.
Again, you are ignoring things I cannot be more explicit about.So, if I don't understand Japanese, it's my fault? Right.
THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND is not to be blamed.
THAT YOU DECLARE IT INVALID BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND is.
Ultimania is not from a third party. It is from the creators, and sold by Square. And all this source changing your perspective means is that you were wrong.A game is designed to impress the audience with its original story. You play VIII from start to finish and you would then draw a conclusion based on what you've learnt from the game. Suddenly, some little text from a third party totally changes that perspective. What you have felt from the game is no longer true.
The people who assumed Albus was heterosexual were incorrect in their assumption, and the original author revealed new data that invalidated an assumption people made about her work, but not her work itself. And even if it 'ruins' the experience for a few homophobes, that's Rowling's prerogative.Here's a similar scenario: Albus Dumbledore in Harry Potter. At first, his fans didn't ever reach a point where they would question his sexuality. Later, Rowling has claimed that he was actually gay. Therefore, some persons' views on Albus begin to change. Feel that, eh?
Him being gay is now fact. The point is that it does ruin some experience.
English Manual. Not the game. Not the japanese manual.No. On the VII's manual,
FFT is not FFVII. FFT made a massive error regarding his astrological sign. It was also made by other people. How is this reflective on the Ultimania or AC/C, made by the same people who made FFVII is beyond me.it mentions that his birthday is 19th August. Yet, in AC and Ultimania mention that his birthday is 11th August. Not to mention that his sign in Final Fantasy Tactics appears to be Aquarius. Aquarius =/= August.
I refuse to do your work for you and accept your concession for failing to address how Kefka being born in Thamasa is a contradiction.There are too many inconsistencies to write down here. You can find more somewhere.
So if they are credible, why can't we trust them?The point is that if they have made mistakes, there's always a good chance that they will make same mistakes in the future. But that's uncommon, since they usually put additional detail on existing aspects of FFs. That's exactly what secured the credibility of Ultimania.
Because I play with trolls. I am cruel like that.Don't agrue with me, then. You have already declared me as a troll, so why bother.
...::points at the greek speaker IN THIS THREAD who has said exactly the same thing as me::You an expert in Greek or something? If what you said is true, my greek friends would have said the same thing. Not to mention that they have never played VIII before!
Incorrect grammar is a whole different kettle of fish than text that doesn't spell anything.You people have agreed with the conclusion of some painting at Ultimecia's castle. Remember the famous line? Where did that line come from? It's from something that has incorrect grammar, apparently!
No. Neither is 'more important.'I'd apply for that job at Square. When I have that job, I'd change something in the Ultimania to my liking. And then it will become canonised! How wonderful!
See, the original games are more important to focus on than things such as Ultimania.
And you would not be able to 'change something to your liking' in an Ultimania. Or get a job editing one. You don't speak Japanese. You'd put out Japanese text like the greek lettering on the tower.
Which again says nothing that they must be true. Squall is not literally a lion even though he is symbolically linked with them.R=U has about the same qualities as some symbolisms in VIII. The lions of Ultimecia, Griever, Rinoa finger sign at the Star, etc. The only difference is that they don't show up in dialogues.
Yes it is. It's also possible for it to have none. But again 'meaning with multiple conclusion' means you aren't talking about meanings. The 'meanings' would be the 'conclusions'You look at this non-dialogueous thing, and you become curious about what does it do. It's impossible for that thing to have only one possibility.
I've been replying to all of them. There's no need to repeat yourself.
I told him I would ignore him because his histrionic tirade at me about my 'misuse' of Parsimony was wrong but moreover off topic. After I DID respond to that, he was immediately banned for his response, so I had no reason TO respond.Although, you stopped replying to him; he was always the last. Same thing happened to Sir Bahamut.
Lychon was a red herring to my current discussion. With you, playing with my new chewtoy is the entire purpose.I just find this absolutely hilarious and ironic. After the acknowledgement that I'm a troll (according to you), we would keep arguing. Yet, between people like Lychon and you will stop agruing at some point. Of course, people will stop arguing eventually, but not like this!
I know. 'No, they aren't based in fact', I accepted your concession already.No.
Like I said, you're making things up that aren't in the game. You're asserting there are connections.Actually, what I did was removing visual images from the game and represent them here; such visual images that are not made up. Then, I'd make connections between said visual images. That's not even 100% fan fiction. A bit, but not all. No need to exaggerate.
Then what in the name of Beelzebub is it?And this is NOT a theroy!
Then why bother fighting against this opinion?Yes, and your opinion is not fact.
I read VIII and I was then wronged by someone else for getting something wrong due to new-lol-canonised information from Ultimania. This time, I am told to read the Ultimania's translations and then I must change my view on VIII as a whole.
There's something wrong about this process. It's not my fault that I've got something wrong. It's Square's fault.
Ultimania is only exclusive to Japanese. If Square was so desperate to modify something in FF games and thus re-clarify our knowledges, they could of have added multi-languages support, but they didn't.
So, what could this mean? It could mean that Ultimania is not actually very important to people who don't understand Japanese. They have left us the original games in English and that's what matters.
It's completely wrong to use Ultimania as a whole to disprove something. 99% of the original plot and 1% Ultimania are fine, depending on the context.
I never declared it to be invalid.
Partly. DigiCube Co was the company that released and published VIII Ultimania.
It wasn't my fault that my perspective contradicted the Ultimania.
There wasn't evidence regarding his sexuality in the series. And all of a sudden, Rowling claims that he's gay. That's the whole point.
Still relevant.
Thier mistakes have proved something. Therefore, it's better to focus on the original games and not to focus on the external sources.
Addressing the explanation as to why the Kefka case is a contradiction is irrelevant. We are on the VIII board.
It's not wise to 100% trust them after they have made these mistakes.
According to your definition of 'troll', Lychon was definitely a troll. And yet, you gave up on him. See below for more explanation.
Four Greek persons < One Greek person? Really?...:You an expert in Greek or something? If what you said is true, my greek friends would have said the same thing. Not to mention that they have never played VIII before!oints at the greek speaker IN THIS THREAD who has said exactly the same thing as me::
They are both the same thing in terms of inaccuratity.
So, if someone miserably adds something and that new data, which is deemed to be out of the ordinary, becomes equally as important as the orginal games? Right.
It's possible. Impress your boss and he probably will approve it.
Anybody can have any job.
I was just hypothesizing a scenario.
Not everybody will put the same identical characters.
You're now claiming that Squall is linked with lions. So, if Ultimecia has them on her castle, and considering that the visible comparison of between these visual images does exist, it must be true.
If this thing has no possibility of drawing any conclusion, then what's the purpose of its existence when it, in fact, keeps showing up in more than one instance within the game? Why would the developers waste time on designing things that absolutely mean nothing?
Also, when you look at one thing, it's not a conclusion. A conclusion usually occurs at the end of the thinking process.
Then, I'll quote you:
I shall accept this statement as meaningless.
I'm talking about this thread:
http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fan...ml#post1757460
Your excuse for not replying to him back is off topic? Well, well! Most of the things in our arguments are mostly off-topic as well!
You're partly responsible for making him get banned. And that administrator... Yeah.
Your logic is so compelling. Back in '06, the phenomenon of 'trolls' wasn't widely acknowledged. So, if we merge our timeline with the '06 timeline, he would be called as a troll according to your definition of 'troll'. And yet, the ending result is completely different! It's funny how time can change people.
I beg to differ.
And yet you act as if this is 100% fan-fiction. Exaggerating doesn't increase the level of your validity, you know.
You got ... Oh, wait. Never mind.
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