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I mean in terms of character development.

We got to know her when she was inside Edea. We still know her better than several other villians before her.

I beg to differ, my friend.

No, it doesn't. There are players' who don't understand the Ultimania (Japanese.) It's simple, if Square wanted to reclarify players' knowledges of the FFs, Square could of have added different languages support for the FFs, but they didn't.

So, because you and other people don't understand the language it was released in, it doesn't count? Doesn't fly.

No, the point is that if Square wanted to ensure that a good amount of players worldwide get reclarified on thier knowledges, they could of have added multiple languages, but they didn't.

So, you can't just rely on the Ultimania to understand everything.

Based entirely on your premise that if it counted they would have released it in a language you could understand. Again, doesn't fly.

Actually, it's a valid point. If I understand the game's language but I couldn't understand Japanese, it would be silly and wrong for someone to tell me ''LULZ Ultimania tells ya otherwise".

I'm not to blame.

Why should we believe Ultimania over the original games? Never mind that the Ultimania has a few contradictions and yet you still believe them.

Newer replaces older is generally the way of things.

No, it ruins your first experience of playing a FF game and later found out that some of the information you have learnt turned out to be no longer true. It defeats the purpose of an originality. Ultimania is a very cheap tactic to change everything without any hassle.

Contradictions, such as?

Here's a good example that's similar to Ultimecia's plot, Ultimania states that Kefka was born in Thamasa, but that does not make sense within FFVI's plot for many reasons, obviously.

There are many other contradictions but most of them are minor, Cloud's birthday, for example.

When they create a specific FF, it'd be usually intentional. But then when Square re-analyses that specific FF, they would make changes and hence the Ultimania. That does seem to defeat the meaning of originity...

Considering 'originity' has no meaning, no, it does not.
Again, however, this is based on the idea that 'only the original counts' and that the Ultimania is an alteration rather than explanation. Both of which are basically invalid.

originality <-> originity? You couldn't tell what a mispelt word looks like, could you? Now, that makes sense. You couldn't tell what a mispelt Greek word would look like, so then you say it's refering to 'ljakdkjnas jasndjnasd' or something.

Yes, it does. If something is created and later Ultimania changes that, it's no longer.... I don't know what's the right word to use, but hopefully you know what I mean.

Japanese is known for adding meanings to thier films and games, unlike the West. So, relying on fact for proof or disproof is just wrong.

A: Which does not address, which is that the themes and meaning do not require R=U to be valid.

So, all of thier meanings or symbolisms are all invaild?

B: Meanings in Japanese films and games ARE supported by facts, same as any other analysis of fiction in any other language.

I'm talking about meanings that can be drawn into many various conclusions.

C: Their, not thier.

Touché. It's becoming more apparent that your criticism of my English and calling me names are now part of your agruements. How illogical!

It's a shame that it's not possible for people to not get annoyed over text ...

You told me parsimony was useless, bridgedweller. This isn't about it being impossible to not get annoyed over text and your idea being utterly ludicrous.

Don't use that 'parsimony' word, and don't make me become LYCHON!

I wasn't just talking about me or my claims, just in general. Seeing as how this game has a lot of symbolisms and meanings, and people relying on fact to reach conclusions... That's fine, but when it comes to things that don't tell us but show us, relying on fact is useless.

... No, because things ACTUALLY shown to us are even more rooted in fact than things told us. What you are arguing, however, is not things shown or told, but things you assert.

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Funny you should mention that, being I don't like FFVIII that much at all. But evidence is what a theory requires to be a theory, otherwise it's fan fiction.

No. If you're using something that already exists within the game, it's not fan fiction.