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Opinion =/= Fact

Yes, and your opinion is not fact.

Then why bother fighting against this opinion?

In terms of awareness, yes, it does.

But awareness is not validity. You being unaware of valid data makes it no less valid.

I read VIII and I was then wronged by someone else for getting something wrong due to new-lol-canonised information from Ultimania. This time, I am told to read the Ultimania's translations and then I must change my view on VIII as a whole.

There's something wrong about this process. It's not my fault that I've got something wrong. It's Square's fault.

Ultimania is only exclusive to Japanese. If Square was so desperate to modify something in FF games and thus re-clarify our knowledges, they could of have added multi-languages support, but they didn't.

So, what could this mean? It could mean that Ultimania is not actually very important to people who don't understand Japanese. They have left us the original games in English and that's what matters.

It's completely wrong to use Ultimania as a whole to disprove something. 99% of the original plot and 1% Ultimania are fine, depending on the context.

So, if I don't understand Japanese, it's my fault? Right.

Again, you are ignoring things I cannot be more explicit about.
THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND is not to be blamed.
THAT YOU DECLARE IT INVALID BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND is.

I never declared it to be invalid.

A game is designed to impress the audience with its original story. You play VIII from start to finish and you would then draw a conclusion based on what you've learnt from the game. Suddenly, some little text from a third party totally changes that perspective. What you have felt from the game is no longer true.

Ultimania is not from a third party. It is from the creators, and sold by Square. And all this source changing your perspective means is that you were wrong.

Partly. DigiCube Co was the company that released and published VIII Ultimania.

It wasn't my fault that my perspective contradicted the Ultimania.

Here's a similar scenario: Albus Dumbledore in Harry Potter. At first, his fans didn't ever reach a point where they would question his sexuality. Later, Rowling has claimed that he was actually gay. Therefore, some persons' views on Albus begin to change. Feel that, eh?

Him being gay is now fact. The point is that it does ruin some experience.

The people who assumed Albus was heterosexual were incorrect in their assumption, and the original author revealed new data that invalidated an assumption people made about her work, but not her work itself. And even if it 'ruins' the experience for a few homophobes, that's Rowling's prerogative.

There wasn't evidence regarding his sexuality in the series. And all of a sudden, Rowling claims that he's gay. That's the whole point.

No. On the VII's manual,

English Manual. Not the game. Not the japanese manual.

Still relevant.

it mentions that his birthday is 19th August. Yet, in AC and Ultimania mention that his birthday is 11th August. Not to mention that his sign in Final Fantasy Tactics appears to be Aquarius. Aquarius =/= August.

FFT is not FFVII. FFT made a massive error regarding his astrological sign. It was also made by other people. How is this reflective on the Ultimania or AC/C, made by the same people who made FFVII is beyond me.

Thier mistakes have proved something. Therefore, it's better to focus on the original games and not to focus on the external sources.

There are too many inconsistencies to write down here. You can find more somewhere.

I refuse to do your work for you and accept your concession for failing to address how Kefka being born in Thamasa is a contradiction.

Addressing the explanation as to why the Kefka case is a contradiction is irrelevant. We are on the VIII board.

The point is that if they have made mistakes, there's always a good chance that they will make same mistakes in the future. But that's uncommon, since they usually put additional detail on existing aspects of FFs. That's exactly what secured the credibility of Ultimania.

So if they are credible, why can't we trust them?

It's not wise to 100% trust them after they have made these mistakes.

Don't agrue with me, then. You have already declared me as a troll, so why bother.

Because I play with trolls. I am cruel like that.

According to your definition of 'troll', Lychon was definitely a troll. And yet, you gave up on him. See below for more explanation.

You an expert in Greek or something? If what you said is true, my greek friends would have said the same thing. Not to mention that they have never played VIII before!

...:oints at the greek speaker IN THIS THREAD who has said exactly the same thing as me::

Four Greek persons < One Greek person? Really?

You people have agreed with the conclusion of some painting at Ultimecia's castle. Remember the famous line? Where did that line come from? It's from something that has incorrect grammar, apparently!

Incorrect grammar is a whole different kettle of fish than text that doesn't spell anything.

They are both the same thing in terms of inaccuratity.

I'd apply for that job at Square. When I have that job, I'd change something in the Ultimania to my liking. And then it will become canonised! How wonderful!

See, the original games are more important to focus on than things such as Ultimania.

No. Neither is 'more important.'

So, if someone miserably adds something and that new data, which is deemed to be out of the ordinary, becomes equally as important as the orginal games? Right.

And you would not be able to 'change something to your liking' in an Ultimania.

It's possible. Impress your boss and he probably will approve it.

Or get a job editing one.

Anybody can have any job.

You don't speak Japanese.

I was just hypothesizing a scenario.

You'd put out Japanese text like the greek lettering on the tower.

Not everybody will put the same identical characters.

R=U has about the same qualities as some symbolisms in VIII. The lions of Ultimecia, Griever, Rinoa finger sign at the Star, etc. The only difference is that they don't show up in dialogues.

Which again says nothing that they must be true. Squall is not literally a lion even though he is symbolically linked with them.

You're now claiming that Squall is linked with lions. So, if Ultimecia has them on her castle, and considering that the visible comparison of between these visual images does exist, it must be true.

You look at this non-dialogueous thing, and you become curious about what does it do. It's impossible for that thing to have only one possibility.

Yes it is. It's also possible for it to have none. But again 'meaning with multiple conclusion' means you aren't talking about meanings. The 'meanings' would be the 'conclusions'

If this thing has no possibility of drawing any conclusion, then what's the purpose of its existence when it, in fact, keeps showing up in more than one instance within the game? Why would the developers waste time on designing things that absolutely mean nothing?

Also, when you look at one thing, it's not a conclusion. A conclusion usually occurs at the end of the thinking process.

How was I supposed to acknowledge which thread will you reply to first?

I've been replying to all of them. There's no need to repeat yourself.

Then, I'll quote you:

See also: my response to this blatant attempt to play the victim in the other thread, trolljob.

I shall accept this statement as meaningless.

Although, you stopped replying to him; he was always the last. Same thing happened to Sir Bahamut.

I told him I would ignore him because his histrionic tirade at me about my 'misuse' of Parsimony was wrong but moreover off topic. After I DID respond to that, he was immediately banned for his response, so I had no reason TO respond.

I'm talking about this thread:

http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fan...ml#post1757460

Your excuse for not replying to him back is off topic? Well, well! Most of the things in our arguments are mostly off-topic as well!

You're partly responsible for making him get banned. And that administrator... Yeah.

I just find this absolutely hilarious and ironic. After the acknowledgement that I'm a troll (according to you), we would keep arguing. Yet, between people like Lychon and you will stop agruing at some point. Of course, people will stop arguing eventually, but not like this!

Lychon was a red herring to my current discussion. With you, playing with my new chewtoy is the entire purpose.

Your logic is so compelling. Back in '06, the phenomenon of 'trolls' wasn't widely acknowledged. So, if we merge our timeline with the '06 timeline, he would be called as a troll according to your definition of 'troll'. And yet, the ending result is completely different! It's funny how time can change people.

No.

I know. 'No, they aren't based in fact', I accepted your concession already.

I beg to differ.

Actually, what I did was removing visual images from the game and represent them here; such visual images that are not made up. Then, I'd make connections between said visual images. That's not even 100% fan fiction. A bit, but not all. No need to exaggerate.

Like I said, you're making things up that aren't in the game. You're asserting there are connections.

And yet you act as if this is 100% fan-fiction. Exaggerating doesn't increase the level of your validity, you know.

And this is NOT a theroy!

Then what in the name of Beelzebub is it?

You got ... Oh, wait. Never mind.