Quote Originally Posted by Serapy View Post
Then why bother fighting against this opinion?
I'm not. I'm fighting against you asserting it as fact.

I read VIII and I was then wronged by someone else for getting something wrong due to new-lol-canonised information from Ultimania. This time, I am told to read the Ultimania's translations and then I must change my view on VIII as a whole.
But this does not mean the Ultimania is invalid.

There's something wrong about this process. It's not my fault that I've got something wrong. It's Square's fault.
Yes, it IS your fault you got something wrong. They hold the information. That's their perogative.

Ultimania is only exclusive to Japanese. If Square was so desperate to modify something in FF games and thus re-clarify our knowledges, they could of have added multi-languages support, but they didn't.
Again, this doesn't make it invalid at all.

So, what could this mean? It could mean that Ultimania is not actually very important to people who don't understand Japanese. They have left us the original games in English and that's what matters.
No, the original games, and the international versions, are in Japanese. Square made the games and the Ultimanias in Japanese.

It's completely wrong to use Ultimania as a whole to disprove something. 99% of the original plot and 1% Ultimania are fine, depending on the context.
It's not wrong in the slightest for a writer to release additional information regarding their series that disproves assumptions made about it. You just don't like it because it kills your pet theory.

I never declared it to be invalid.
Yes you did. You are saying it doesn't count.

Partly. DigiCube Co was the company that released and published VIII Ultimania.

It wasn't my fault that my perspective contradicted the Ultimania.
You keep talking about 'not your fault' like it makes any difference. Your perspective is contradicted by the Ultimania. It takes precedence.

There wasn't evidence regarding his sexuality in the series. And all of a sudden, Rowling claims that he's gay. That's the whole point.
And this contradicts nothing in the books. It is totally Rowling's right to do this.

Still relevant.
No, because it was an error made in the translation of the game's manual.

Thier mistakes have proved something. Therefore, it's better to focus on the original games and not to focus on the external sources.
They prove nothing, and the manual IS an external source by your logic. Not that the Ultimania is any more an 'external source' than J.K. Rowling is for Harry Potter.

Addressing the explanation as to why the Kefka case is a contradiction is irrelevant. We are on the VIII board.
No it's not, because you listed it in the first place as an example of contradiction making official sources unreliable. So either concede this point or substantiate it.

It's not wise to 100% trust them after they have made these mistakes.
Mistakes you claim they have made but have not substantiated, and do not justify outright disregarding the Ultimania as you would like to.

According to your definition of 'troll', Lychon was definitely a troll. And yet, you gave up on him. See below for more explanation.
I didn't give up on him, I stopped responding to him because his long winded responses on nothing weren't even amusing to respond to any longer. Besides, he got banned immediately thereafter, making any response utterly redundant.

Four Greek persons < One Greek person? Really?
One greek person we know exists > Four greek people you say exist.
If you could provide evidence they exist and they say what you say they do, it would be different.

They are both the same thing in terms of inaccuratity.
No. They aren't. One is 'They is doing something wrong', the other is 'adekjh wdkjuhfd fin ekfhsd'

So, if someone miserably adds something and that new data, which is deemed to be out of the ordinary, becomes equally as important as the orginal games? Right.
IF that data makes it through the editing process, then yes, it will be valid until it is overruled. That is how canon works.

It's possible. Impress your boss and he probably will approve it.
In which case, 'your boss' being the creator/s of the original game, will know if it it in line with their vision for the game, and approve or disapprove on that basis.

Anybody can have any job.
Can you be hired for this job?

I was just hypothesizing a scenario.
The likelihood of which is very very slim.

Not everybody will put the same identical characters.
But your Japanese would be random nonsense and maybe the occasional real word interspersed.

You're now claiming that Squall is linked with lions.
His name is Leonhart. His theme song is 'Maybe I'm a Lion'. His emblem is a lion.

So, if Ultimecia has them on her castle, and considering that the visible comparison of between these visual images does exist, it must be true.
WHAT must be true? That the image you showed is relevant to FFVIII? That does not follow. Squall having an obvious link to Lions does not substantiate your claim that that image has anything to do with FFVIII.

If this thing has no possibility of drawing any conclusion, then what's the purpose of its existence when it, in fact, keeps showing up in more than one instance within the game? Why would the developers waste time on designing things that absolutely mean nothing?

Also, when you look at one thing, it's not a conclusion. A conclusion usually occurs at the end of the thinking process.
How does 'this thing' keep showing up? And yes, you are drawing conclusions from this thing.
As for why they'd design something without meaning 'It looks cool.'

I shall accept this statement as meaningless.
But it's not meaningless. It's a referrer to my response to your identical statement elsewhere.

http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fan...ml#post1757460

Your excuse for not replying to him back is off topic? Well, well! Most of the things in our arguments are mostly off-topic as well!

You're partly responsible for making him get banned. And that administrator... Yeah.
Are you trying to DEFEND Lychon, Serapy? And are you saying that these discussions, which are talking about your claims, are off topic from the threads, which are about your claims?

Your logic is so compelling. Back in '06, the phenomenon of 'trolls' wasn't widely acknowledged.
It wasn't?

So, if we merge our timeline with the '06 timeline, he would be called as a troll according to your definition of 'troll'. And yet, the ending result is completely different! It's funny how time can change people.
Or it's because he wasn't fun. You're amusing.

I beg to differ.
What, do you want to officially concede instead?

And yet you act as if this is 100% fan-fiction. Exaggerating doesn't increase the level of your validity, you know.
You are asserting connections between things that have no connection. YOU, good sir, are the one engaging in exaggeration.

You got ... Oh, wait. Never mind.
Blatant Red Herring noted and held against you. If it's not a theory, then what is it?