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[Serapy]

It's like Good vs Evil. People can choose to be Good or Evil. You can apply the same thing to this.

Okay. I apply that I'm good and you're evil.

Bingo! That was a good example of expressing an opinion. I think and you think differently. Sharing this on the board doesn't still void the meaning of expressing an opinion.

Seriously though, how 'good v evil' at all like 'fighting against you asserting it as fact'

I have never asserted anything as fact.

It's not that it's invalid. It's just annoying and stupid. What was Square's true intention of putting Japanese on Ultimania?

To reveal more information about the game for the audience most interested and likely to purchase, the Japanese.

Which means that it's not important for the West to gather new information from something that don't speak thier languages.

It's not my fault that I don't understand Japanese. Therefore, it's not my fault that I got something wrong.

You're incredibly on the defensive, here. Your fault or not, you got something wrong because you didn't have all the information. That DOESN'T make the additional info invalid.

It doesn't make the information more or less invalid. There's a reason why Square doesn't release it in various languages.

Whether it's invalid or not, it doesn't matter. What matters is why Square targetted at Japanese audience. Square feeds the Japanese new information, not the West.

Which again, makes the information no less valid, and no less crushing to your 'interpretations'

Where did I say that it was invalid?

They gave us English VIII and that's it.
If they wanted to re-clarify the plot or whatever, they could of have added English or other languages. But they didn't, so it means... that it's not important.

No. That's like saying if Lucas released a vital bit of SW in English only, it wouldn't matter because he didn't release it in Czech.
It's no less important because they didn't release it in every language.
You just don't like it because it kills your pet 'interpretation.'

-Square releases this new information in an external source for the Japanese.
-Non-Japanese players are unaware of this because of two reasons:
--They don't understand Japanese.
--Ultimanias are not that very recognised in the West. This adds 1 to unawareness.

They play VIII and that's it. That was Square's intention. If it wasn't thier intention, they would of have made Ultimania in various languages. OR re-make VIII.

The players are curious as to what's the difference between thier language in VIII and Japanese due to mis-translations. Players know this because they know that the Japanese developers made the game.

Ultimania on the other hand, not so much.

I didn't create R=U. A mass amount of people did.

Which makes IT no more valid and the Ultimania no less valid for squashing it.

You repeating that statement really boils down to conservatism pretty much. Saying that the Ultimania is invalid wasn't the main intention of my argument.

It's still better to focus on the orginal games, not Ultimanias.
Orginal games don't include mistakes, only Ultimanias do.

"This guy are sick"
"So that's how you'll fool them" "So that's how you fooled them"
The original games DO contain mistakes, and you have YET to substantiate that the Ultis have mistakes, and are essentially SPECIAL PLEADING to disregard this evidence you don't like to protect R=U.

I'm talking about the plot. Not the translations.
I've already substantiated that the Ultimanias include some mistakes.

If Square added English to Ultimanias, it could make a bigger difference. Why didn't they market it worldwide? That's pretty good money, if you ask me.

IF they had the money to release it, IF it sold well in the English speaking world.

They ain't that poor.

But either way, it's irrelevant. They released it. IT COUNTS.

Of course it counts for the Japanese.

It did contradict some people views.

And those people can just go cry in a corner. Their views are not sacrosanct and more important than the creator's story.

Hmm... Imagine me being a creator. Imagine me writing this story and releases it now. People hear about it, they love it and express thier views with other fans.
After hearing thier interpretations myself as the creator. God! I hate these interpretations, how sissy! That wasn't what I expected.
How to change that? Easy, I'd go and make a public announcement and say, "He's gay." Problem solved!

What I'm saying is that once when you create something and release it to the public. Assuming that it has no plot errors, leave it at that! Don't ever modify it in the future. Don't ever modify it just 'cos you don't like your fans' interpretations. You write a story for the audience, not for yourself.

It's not just the manual. That's more than one error.

So where else than the manual and what are these 'other errors?'

I've just told you. AC and the Ultimania.

Hmmm, the manual and the game were created at the same time. So, this manual doesn't qualify as an external source.

The english language manual was not made at the same time as the original japanese language game.

The English language manual was made at the same time as its English-language game.

Are you implying that the external sources are 100% reliable when in fact they have made some errors?

Are you making a gorram red herring AND really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking. to try and distract me from the gorram demand for evidence I just made. HOW IS KEFKA'S BIRTHPLACE A CONTRADICTION? SUBSTANTIATE THIS ASSERTION OR CONCEDE IT AS A CONTRADICTION.
Or do I need to be MORE blunt?

So, your defence is that the Ultimanias are perfect?

Go do some research, you'll find better information than I've explained in my previous post. No, don't ask me to explain 'cos I'm not claiming any theory.

But you ARE making assertions, and those DO need to be substantiated. And again, I REFUSE to do you work for you.

I'm not making any assertion.

His English is far better than mine, though.

Which is in fact irrelevant to him not being fun, being off topic, and getting banned almost immediately thereafter.

So, you're admitting that you criticising my English was off-topic?

Latin - Is this Latin?
Is this modern or ancient Greek?

LOL! Their replies include words that are... striking, considering that they have never played VIII before.

Serapy, they're saying it's nonsense too.

Way to exaggerate. Some of them are saying it's nonsence, true, but look at thier guesses.

Incorrect grammar = bad
Misspelt words = bad

So, they are the same!

It's not 'misspelled words' it's 'not words at all' which is worse than bad grammar.

Both are essentially worse, since you can't understand a word or can't understand a sentence.

I don't believe in canon, my friend.

You don't have to. That's how it works. You have no say.

A thing separated from another thing but both share the same thing isn't 100% canon.

If it's something that will interest players, why not?

Because it goes against your boss- the creator's- vision.

Really? Then these companies would be less corrupted than they already are.

It's impossible for someone to get a job that he/she desires?

Sometimes, it is.

Not if you have a great level of motivation.

If nobody were greedy, then I could see your point. There are other factors to consider, too.

Yes, like your complete Japanese illiteracy.

I'm going to have to assume that you don't understand Japanese, too. So, what are you saying is a perfect example of hypocrisy.

So, Square randomly adds text that serves no purpose and yet it's similar to one word that is relevant to the plot. That's one hell of a crazy coincidence, yo.

'Dummy Text' is a common shortcut, Serapy.

Shortcuts can't exist without something, such as any reason or meaning.

So, in your logic, the lions on Ultimecia's castle are connected with Squall, too.

Nope. They aren't linked with Squall. Squall is linked with lions. Not all Lions are linked with Squall.

Are you implying that Ultimecia pulling Griever out of Squall's head is not connected with himself?

When Griever came into existence, it's still connected with Squall. It's very possible that the lions on her Castle are connected with Squall. How can the symbolism of bravery and loyalty fit Ultimecia? Unless she's Rinoa, or Ultimecia showing bravery and loyalty in the name of her dead husband.

That his lions being connected with each other is true.

'His' lions? Squall is linked with lions, but not all lions are linked with Squall.

That's not true.

In your logic, his last name is not an obvious link with Lion, then.Don't ever mention Kingdom Hearts. It's not connected with VIII.

No, in my logic, the name meaning 'Heart of a Lion' is an obvious link to him being represented by lions. But this does not mean he is represented by ALL lions.

Lion is a symbol of bravery and loyalty. So, saying that not all lions are connected with himself sort of defeats his symbol of a lion in the first place.

If it keeps showing up in the game, it doesn't necessarily make it cool. There are too many things in the game that are already cool.

So there's a limit on cool?

If everything in VIII was for bein' cool, it will have a lot of plot errors.

It is meaningless. Whatever you're agruing that's not relevant to VIII is always meaningless.

Then all of your threads are meaningless, because none of them are actually relevant to the plot of FFVIII.

Everything what I've shown here (e.g. dialogues, events, visual images, etc) are actually relevant to VIII. Therefore, what I did wasn't meaningless. True, I've mentioned some tiny information that doesn't actually exist in VIII; and thus irrelevant. But that doesn't mean meaningless as a whole. Way to exaggerate, brother.

You, on the other hand, criticising my English was irrelevant and meaningless because it's not about VIII.

Other than him criticising your English, I agree with some of his points based on VIII.

So, you DO agree that you're off topic, then?
And he was incorrect in his criticism of my English.

Whenever you feel that something or someone is incorrect, you would usually sense the great temptation to fight against it.

I don't recall seeing people calling each other trolls upon my registration on this forum.

That doesn't mean trolls weren't well known three years ago. Trolls were common over a decade ago.

Not in this forum section.

What are we talking about again?

You really don't remember, do you?

Our arguments are leading to various things. I don't think that is normal.

How do you know that they have no connection? Is there any secret dialogue that I'm missing?

You certainly aren't SUBSTANTIATING any connection.

Then we're getting no where.

Interpretation.

Which still needs to be supported, otherwise it is meaningless.

I just don't know why pointing at visual images aren't enough to be supported. Funny how dialogues are the easiest thing to be supported.