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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavrobel View Post
    So, you are also advocating more user-based content. However, you bring up a point that a site that is specialized toward a series should have even more to offer about the primary subject in question than general information sites. Do you believe that there may be an idea in which we are lacking in which we should not be, other than user-based content?
    When it comes down to it, all our content is user-based, so I'm not sure why you'd make the distinction. If any user can provide good content of any kind for the frontsite, giving them permissions enough to do so shouldn't be a problem, as I see it. As for other ideas, I can't say I'm bursting with them at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavrobel View Post
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    As long as you credit where you get them then you're ok
    That is not necessarily true. Not every image on the internet is intended for use in the public domain, even if said images are "well, it's on the internet lol." I would ask that you not attempt to answer these types of questions on behalf of EoFF as a whole. There's more legal loopholes that we (I) have to worry about than one would like to imagine; if one has to think twice about it, it's probably in one's best interest not to explore the option, for fear of legal ramifications. If this site were still owned by the original user, that would not be a problem if we were to receive a "cease and desist."

    It should be noted, that this is no longer the case.
    Still so negative. If it's freeware you can use it. If it says "credit if you're using!" Then you credit. If it says do not use without consent of whoever or a copyright then you can't use it. Simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freya View Post
    Still so negative. If it's freeware you can use it. If it says "credit if you're using!" Then you credit. If it says do not use without consent of whoever or a copyright then you can't use it. Simple as that.
    What part of "stop acting like you're a legal expert" do you not understand? I guess it was subtext, but I should've hoped that you would pick up on it. Are you being intentionally daft, or do you think that your information is somehow correct?

    Do you even know what freeware means? "Freeware" pertains to software, not images or intellectual property. Even if you were right, we would need the original source of the image that we wish to add (or wherever you got it from), and a statement that it is free to use. If there is no such statement, the inherent ambiguity of lacking the "you're clear" statement is enough to tell us not to use the image. Again, if we think twice, it's not a good idea. Without a source, we can give no proper credit, which flies in the face of your own statement that we need to give credit to the creator.

    The second problem is that EoFF in its statement says that we strive for original content, not reused images that can be found everywhere. Without anything original to offer, there'd be no point to even offering the "it's everywhere" images.

    I'm going to ask that you stop talking out of your ass, and instead focus on the other questions that I asked you in response to the other requests that you produced. That so called "negativity" is actually called "prudence."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavrobel View Post
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    I'm just not that into news about Final Fantasy anymore, especially not now that they seem to spend ages between each numbered installment, which would be the only FF's I'd be interested in learning more about anyway. Right now I get my FF fix covered by other gaming sites that also cover many other genres.

    Basically, I don't think there's a problem with the news on the front site, I just think there's less demand these days for a site that only focuses on one series, especially with GameFAQs hogging all the people who are stuck, and major gaming news sites hogging everyone who wants to see the latest news & trailers.
    So, what you're saying is, is that to you, we are outclassed?
    To me, definitely. The news on the frontsite doesn't give me anything I can't find elsewhere (That's not to say I would enjoy more obscure minor FF news, I'd probably not be interested), and elsewhere tends to give me other news I'm interested in too about other games. That said, I've never come to this place for the news anyway, I've come here to talk about the games and news, something other places have failed to make enjoyable. Can't talk for anyone else though! harder FF fans will probably enjoy a news site purely dedicated to Square-Enix games.

    A comment system to talk about the news would be very awesome, but if that's impossible then I guess there's nothing to do about that.


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    My sweet loving Tav, could you please try harder not to be such a dick? If you don't want to put the effort into seeing if something is legally usable you can say that without belittling people who're trying to be helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall Banana View Post
    Pixel art! Beautiful pixel art.
    ... seriously?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    I'd suggest integrating the frontsite with the forums. Of course, this is often easier said than done due to how finicky vBulletin can be.
    We've been working on integration, but without a series of hacks or the cooperation of more tech savvy forum leaders, such an operation can go forward. Apparently, Forum Staff have an opinion on how the forum should be run. Who could have known that people so wrong could be in such high positions of authority?

    Quote Originally Posted by I Took the Red Pill View Post
    Purely because I don't give a about Final Fantasy at this point. It's no fault of the SS but I just don't care tbh. I'm just one person, but FF doesn't mean ass to me at this point, so news about it doesn't do anything. And yeah I think people who are looking for information about upcoming Final Fantasies are much more likely to go to IGN or Gametrailers to check that our rather than here.
    Makes sense. Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rantzien View Post
    When it comes down to it, all our content is user-based, so I'm not sure why you'd make the distinction. If any user can provide good content of any kind for the frontsite, giving them permissions enough to do so shouldn't be a problem, as I see it. As for other ideas, I can't say I'm bursting with them at the moment.
    The distinction between what is approved (i.e., coded) and that which can uploaded with no effort, or directly from the people. The Fan Art module would be user-generated. But ultimately, what is written, content-wise, really is written by the Site Staff these days, or people who eventually become one.

    That being said, there's is a severe lack of contribution on that end, as well. Even those given the SS title pre-emptively have not produced to the level that was expected, and I have low expectations of anyone other than myself.

    Really, all I should hope for these days is for my peers to simply log in. Several don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Levian View Post
    To me, definitely. The news on the frontsite doesn't give me anything I can't find elsewhere (That's not to say I would enjoy more obscure minor FF news, I'd probably not be interested), and elsewhere tends to give me other news I'm interested in too about other games. That said, I've never come to this place for the news anyway, I've come here to talk about the games and news, something other places have failed to make enjoyable. Can't talk for anyone else though! harder FF fans will probably enjoy a news site purely dedicated to Square-Enix games.

    A comment system to talk about the news would be very awesome, but if that's impossible then I guess there's nothing to do about that.
    It would seem that your opinion is shared, prominently, at least, in this cross-section of members. Unfortunately, I can't assume uniform mental density.

    Ohh, if only I could treat EoFF members like spherical pressure vessels.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShlupQuack View Post
    My sweet loving Tav, could you please try harder not to be such a dick? If you don't want to put the effort into seeing if something is legally usable you can say that without belittling people who're trying to be helpful.
    I'll try, one should realize that all we could really do, if this section existed, is check if the image were usable (we would have to, really). What I don't appreciate is throwing out an idea that is rejected, and then for that person to assume that they know more about the given subject, without considering every aspect of the suggestion.

    Unlike some people, I actually have to give a damn in order to do my job. I can't just type in something that belittles other people's intelligence or work ethic, and have other people rush to my defense "well, they're the authority, therefore, it's okay for them to say so." Even when I act nice, nothing gets done, so why should I act nice, when no one is on my side? One could argue that if I were nicer, more people would be willing to support me, but as far as I can tell, that hasn't been true at all. I have no moderation power outside of SV (which means in order to reach the public, I have to ask others to do it for me), no one on the Forum Staff is willing to do anything (surprise, surprise), no say as to what happens anywhere (in case you guys haven't checked, we're locked out of your forum, even though you can drop in on ours), and not even an ounce of respect except out of a select few, mostly my peers.

    And suddenly I'm an asshole?

    Please, don't tell me "internet srs bzn" or "life is unfair." But you telling me to be less of a dick is extraordinarily misguided, especially since I've been discourteous only to one person, the same person who suggested something last time that was more pain than it was worth, and doesn't even realize that their suggestion is actually that much more painful, and instead brushes it off as though I have a negative personality or that I'm lazy. I know that I'm a troll; there's no argument against that. But at least I know what I'm doing wrong. I know at least that about myself.

    I guess I was wrong. It would be easier to just not ask, in an effort to improve myself and what I work on.

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    So, since you see no difference when you're nice or rude, you elect to be rude? You really think that's a good idea?

    As for the rest, I'm just going to ignore it 'cause I can't even tell who you're mad at anymore. All I know is that you need to learn to communicate your feelings without pissing off everyone who you want to work with you. I'm not asking you to be nicer, I'm telling you that you need to act appropriately in public. I'll put up with this crap in the Site Staff Forum because that's your domain, but that's it.

    If you have any further complaints, I advise you to take it to the Private Feedback Forum, as your complaints here don't seem to have much to do with the original topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShlupQuack View Post
    So, since you see no difference when you're nice or rude, you elect to be rude? You really think that's a good idea?
    I know it's not a good idea. But that's not going to stop me from being out of ideas.

    And telling me not to be a dick publicly is equally appropriate?

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    Argh, you're such a stick in the mud!

    Just be nice.

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    My goodness, children.

    I THINK IT IS TIME FOR CORPORAL CUDDLING.

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    NOOOO! YOU ARE THE CRUELEST ADMINISTRATOR OF THEM AAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL!!!

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    GET IT OFF OF ME IT BURNS

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    I think some of the ideas that Psychotic and Rantzien brought up would be viable improvements to the front site, or rather the site as a whole. I'm not your mamma, but you have to be open for suggestions whether you care to do anything about them. You should be willing to make improvements though; otherwise why bother being on Site Staff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiny View Post
    I think some of the ideas that Psychotic and Rantzien brought up would be viable improvements to the front site, or rather the site as a whole. I'm not your mamma, but you have to be open for suggestions whether you care to do anything about them. You should be willing to make improvements though; otherwise why bother being on Site Staff?
    They are not off the table. What gave you that impression?

    The only person on the kicklist is Lekana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavrobel View Post
    They are not off the table. What gave you that impression?
    The disdainful nature of your posts. Oh, and with the rubah thing, I thought she did it all because she contributed to it once and linked to it in #eoff. My b, Baloki.

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