Let's discuss Cloud's main love interest: Aerith or Tifa

[Mercen-X]

Cloud is a SLUT

[Omni-Odin]

Ya this may be an old thread, but not old enough to explain that the title of thread is who is cloud's love interest. Cloud never shows any affection for Tifa....like everrrr. Meanwhile Cloud is having dreams and nightmares for years mourning Aeris's death.

Plus ya'll know if Aeris didn't bite it, Cloud would've married that girl and produced little Cetra children.

[LadyRelena]

Ya this may be an old thread, but not old enough to explain that the title of thread is who is cloud's love interest. Cloud never shows any affection for Tifa....like everrrr. Meanwhile Cloud is having dreams and nightmares for years mourning Aeris's death.

Plus ya'll know if Aeris didn't bite it, Cloud would've married that girl and produced little Cetra children.

Wow I can totally see that you were paying attention to the game and all of talk that's been going on in this thread. Smart one. :sweatdrop:

[ChickenHeart]

I think it was a bit of both, i think he always dug the pair of them equally, Tifa slightly more. So i'm team Tifa :D also, i think if tifa died instead of aerith, he still would of done the same mourning he did for aerith

[Shishikabob]

Ya this may be an old thread, but not old enough to explain that the title of thread is who is cloud's love interest. Cloud never shows any affection for Tifa....like everrrr. Meanwhile Cloud is having dreams and nightmares for years mourning Aeris's death.

Let me point out a few quotes for you:
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(FFVIIUO, pg. 15)
最終決戦を前に一時解散を宣言し、飛空艇に残ったティファと想いを通わせる。

"Declares that the team should dissolve in the final hours before the final battle, and communicates his feelings together with Tifa, who remains behind at the airship with him."


(FFVIIUO, pg. 27)
クラウドの提案で一時解散することになるが、飛空艇に残り、クラウドと想いを通わせる。

"When Cloud proposes that the group separates temporarily, she remains behind at the airship and communicates her feelings together with Cloud. "


(FFVIIUO, pg. 27)
ティファのクラウドに対する好感度が高い場合、飛空艇に残ったふたりは、互いを求める気持ちを 確かめ合う。

"If Tifa's affection regarding Cloud is high, when the two stay behind at the airship, they will confirm that their feelings of desire/wanting for one another match."


(FFVIIUO, pg. 198)
大切な人の待つ場所へと仲間が散っていき、ふたりきりになたクラドとティファ。残された最後の時間でお互い の想いを打ち明け、そして……。

"When their companions disperse to the places where people important to them await, Cloud and Tifa are the only two to remain behind. They reveal their mutual feelings in their final hours, and......."


(CCU, pg. 33)
クラウドとは物語の終盤に想いを通わせ、「AC」「DC」の時代は一緒に暮らしている。

"She communicates her feelings together with Cloud in the final stages of the story, and in AC and DC they live together."


(FFVII 10th AU, pg. 118; pg. 120 in the Revised Edition)
残ったクラウドとティファは、互いへの想いを打ち明け、確かめ合う。

"Cloud and Tifa, who remain, reveal their feelings for each other and confirm them to match."


(U20 Scenario, pg. 232; main body of story summary)
そして、ふたり、きりになったクラウドとティファは、残された最後の時間で互いの想いを打ち明 け合う。

"And when Cloud and Tifa remain behind alone, in their final hours, they disclose that their feelings for each other match."


(U20 Scenario, pg. 394)
「VII」最終決戦前夜に
ティファのおかげで自分を取り戻したクラウドはセフィロスとの最後の戦いを前に言葉では伝えられない想いを 彼女と確かめ合う

"VII - The night before the final battle
Thanks to Tifa, Cloud regains himself, and before the final battle with Sephiroth, without using words, he confirms with her that their feelings match."




And for good measure, everything else that's ever been said about the scene:

(FFVIIUO, pg. 27; complete entry)
クラウドの提案で一時解散することになるが、飛空艇に残り、クラウドと想いを通わせる。翌朝、もどってきた 仲間とともに北の大空洞へ発つ＊

「想いをつたえられるのは言葉だけじゃないよ……」
ーふたりきりになり、言葉に詰まるクラウドに

ティファのクラウドに対する好感度が高い場合、飛空艇に残ったふたりは、互いを求める気持ちを確かめ合う。 このセリフは、そんな会話の最後にティファが口にするもの。告げ た直後にティファが浮かべる、すべてを受けいれるような微笑みが印象的だ。

＊最後の戦りへの決意を固めたDISC 3でも、内心の恐怖を抑え切れないティファ。飛空艇の操縦室でクラウドが話しかけると、「『だいじょうぶ』って言って？」と頼んでくる。心細げだがどこか甘えたふうなティファと、「だいじょうぶ」と答えたときのク ラウドの様子が、いかにも心を通わせたふたりらしく、微笑ましい。ちなみに、ここでのふたりのやり取りは、 以前ティファが弱気になったときにもらしたセリフ(P.26の一番下で引用したもの）がもとになっている。

"When Cloud proposes that the group separates temporarily, she remains behind at the airship and communicates her feelings together with Cloud. The next morning, she departs for the Northern Crater along with her companions, who returned.

'Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking......'
-Said to Cloud, when he is at a loss for words while they're alone

If Tifa's affection regarding Cloud is high, when the two stay behind at the airship, they will confirm their matching feelings of desire/wanting to one another. This line is said by Tifa at the conversation's end. Immediately after saying it, Tifa forms a striking smile that summarizes everything."


(FFVIIUO, pg. 39)
ユフィは知らないが、直前にクラウドはティファとふたりきりの夜を過ごしたばかり。さすが、女のカンは鋭い ？

"Yuffie is unaware that Cloud and Tifa had just spent the night together. Woman's intuition is as perceptive as ever, no?"


(FFVIIUO, pg. 198)
決戦前夜に……
宝条の暴走を止めてから大空洞へ突入するまでにくり広げられるティファとの会話場面は、ティファの好感度によって分岐する。好感度が低いと、ふたりで夜を明かす場面の会話が淡白で短め。翌朝の操縦室の場面では、テ ィファが「聞いてたの？」と言ってつま先をトントンとする。一方、好感度が高いと、ふたりで夜を明かす場面 の会話が濃く、操縦室ではティファが「見てたの？」と恥ずかしがってへたりこむのだ。

"Night before the final battle......
After stopping Hojo's recklessness and before heading to the Northern Crater, the conversation scene with Tifa can diverge drastically depending on Tifa's affection rating. When the affection rating is low, the conversation scene where the two spend the evening is candid and rather short. In the scene on the bridge the next morning, Tifa asks 'Were you listening?' and taps her foot. On the other hand, if the affection rating is high, the two spend the evening in focused conversation, and on the bridge, Tifa asks 'Were you watching?' and collapses in embarassment."


(FFVIIUO, pg. 201)
最終決戦を前に……
クラウドとティファが草原で夜を明かし、飛空艇で仲間たちと合流するまでの会話は、ティファの好感度によっ て変化する。好感度が高いと、クラウドとティファの互いを想う気 持ちがセリフに強く表れるのだ。

[Screenshot caption]
飛空艇にもどったユフィは、クラウドたちの会話内容にかかわらず「クラウドやさしいねえ。なんかあった？」 と話す。

"Before the final battle......
Variations determined by Tifa's affection rating apply from the beginning of the evening with Cloud and Tifa on the grassland until the conversation where they reunite with their companions on the airship. If the affection rating is high, Cloud and Tifa convey their feelings in powerful lines.

[Screenshot caption]
Upon returning to the airship, Yuffie will say 'Gee, Cloud...... that's so nice of you to say that. ......You sick?' regardless of the contents of the conversation of Cloud's conversation."


(FFVII 10th AU, pg. 9; both editions)
北瀬　決戦前夜の飛空艇でのエベントも加藤さんですよね。
野島　ああ、きわどいセリフがあるところですか？あれを書いたのも、僕ではなくて加藤さんです 。
ーー「想いをつたえられるのは、言葉だけじゃないよ」というセリフですね。『FF』としては、かなり大人っ ぽい会話でした。
北瀬　それでも、あまりにもどぎつい表現は抑えてもらった覚えがありますね。
野島　当初のアイデアは、もっと過激でしたから。飛空艇のなかにあるチョコボ部屋からクラウドが先に出てきて、そのあとティファが周囲をうかがいながら出てくるっていう案だったんですけど、それはさすがに北瀬さん が却卜下してました。でも、問題のセリフしても、当時はそんなに重要なことだと誰も思ってなかったのもしれ ない（笑）。

(Translation from the frontpage article on this)
Kitase: Katou also did the event on the airship, the night before the final battle.
Nojima: Oh, the scene with the risqué line of dialogue? It was Katou who wrote that as well, not me.
- The line “Words aren’t the only way to talk someone how you feel,” right? That was quite a mature conversation for a FF game.
Kitase: But I remember having to get another version that was too intense toned down.
Nojima: The original idea was more extreme. The plan was to have Cloud walk out of the Chocobo stable on board the Highwind, followed by Tifa leaving while checking around, but Kitase turned it down. But even with the line in question, maybe at that time none of us thought it would be something so important (laughs).


(U20 Scenario, margin of pg. 232)
分岐
決戦前の会話は2種粨ある
決戦前にクラウドとティファが交わす会話の内容は、ティファの好感度によって変わる。好感度が高いと、ふたりの会話が、お互いを強く思いやるような深い内容になるのだ。また、ふたりの樣子を仲間たちが見ていたこと が翌朝発覚し、ティファが照れる場面では、好感度の高いときのほうが、彼女の照れかたが大きい 。

"Deviation
2 versions of the conversation before the final battle
Prior to the final battle, the contents of the conversation between Cloud and Tifa can change depending on the degree of Tifa's affection. If the degree of affection is high, the contents of the two's conversation will involve deep subject matter and strong feelings for each other. As well, the sight of the two seen by their companions the next morning will lead to an embarassing scene for Tifa, and she blushes greatly."


(FFVII International Memorial Album, pp. 241-242)
[Script of high affection version of the Highwind scene the only one included in script of the game]


(U20 Scenario, pg. 199)
[Script of high affection version of the Highwind scene included as one of four "Impressive Scenes" selected to represent the game at the beginning of its section of the book]
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Also the creators disagree about Cloud and Aerith making Cetra children:

“Case of Tifa … first, there’s the premise that things aren’t going well between Tifa and Cloud, and that even without Geostigma and Sephiroth, it would still be the same. I don’t mean to get into my views on romantic love, marriage and family. (laughs) After ACC, maybe Denzel and Marlene can get them to. Perhaps things would have gone well with Aerith, but Aerith’s responsibility is big, I think.”

That doesn't sound too sure for me.

As for Aerith's death, Why does someone wanting forgiveness from someone mean true love? He wanted forgiveness from Zack too. By your logic that makes him gay and in love with Zack.

Two years after returning to the planet, Aerith still lives on in the hearts of her friends who saved the planet. And in particular to Cloud, as a symbol of his failure to having being unable protect those dear to him

Those dear to him = more than one.

“If I win, are my sins forgiven?” — Cloud: battling against Cloud.

Cloud continued to regret the deaths of his best friend and comrade, who were dear to him, in FFVII. In AC, he says “I want to be forgiven.”

Once again, plural. Guess he sure loves Zack. It also says "best friend and comrade" not "Best friend and true love"

Again this is all the creator's statements not just stuff I'm guessing on. Really if there's one thing they've been unclear about, who Cloud loves isn't it.

I think it was a bit of both, i think he always dug the pair of them equally, Tifa slightly more. So i'm team Tifa also, i think if tifa died instead of aerith, he still would of done the same mourning he did for aerith

Yep

[line_genrou]

Ya this may be an old thread, but not old enough to explain that the title of thread is who is cloud's love interest. Cloud never shows any affection for Tifa....like everrrr. Meanwhile Cloud is having dreams and nightmares for years mourning Aeris's death.

Plus ya'll know if Aeris didn't bite it, Cloud would've married that girl and produced little Cetra children.

Wow I can totally see that you were paying attention to the game and all of talk that's been going on in this thread. Smart one. :sweatdrop:

She probably just watched Advent Children.
Like some Cleriths.

[Shishikabob]

Sorry to bump this but I feel I should do this since the other side of the fence has been using this defense for a while now and I know some of these people and I guess it wouldn't be right for me to not point out their defense in response to this.

Is the Love Triangle Over

I disagree heavily, I believe this page is just saying, "This is how you get to the romantic scene" and it doesn't even mention the low affection... but you never know what others might think

[silentenigma]

I wonder what people would think if the authors of the great works of literature of the world came back seven years after completing a novel, and each had one of their colleagues write a page-by-page walk-through giving vague explanations for every detail which had previously been left to the reader's interpretation.

[champagne supernova]

I wonder what people would think if the authors of the great works of literature of the world came back seven years after completing a novel, and each had one of their colleagues write a page-by-page walk-through giving vague explanations for every detail which had previously been left to the reader's interpretation.

And then have that walkthrough become canon.

But I always thought that Tifa was the main interest. It doesn't mean he didn't want to do Aerith as well, but Tifa was the childhood sweetheart and would always win.

Aerith being offed just made his decision simpler.

[DarkMateria]

Tifa is definately the main love interest.

When did Cloud ever steal any of Aeriths undergarments. You just dont go into anybodies room and randomly steal their underwear. Either that or Cloud is a sick perv.

[Shishikabob]

When did Cloud ever steal any of Aeriths undergarments. You just dont go into anybodies room and randomly steal their underwear. Either that or Cloud is a sick perv.

I think it's a little of both actually. Also just to get to the point of that other essay that was posted.

The issue I take with what she's saying is that, "On this page it says the High Affection scene is optional, therefore Cloti is optional" and yes when TLS posted the article, they did not mention this quote on another page:

"Deviation
2 versions of the conversation before the final battle
Prior to the final battle, the contents of the conversation between Cloud and Tifa can change depending on the degree of Tifa's affection. If the degree of affection is high, the contents of the two's conversation will involve deep subject matter and strong feelings for each other. As well, the sight of the two seen by their companions the next morning will lead to an embarassing scene for Tifa, and she blushes greatly."
(U20 Scenario, margin of pg. 232)

But there are a few problems here. Her article says that the low affection scene is "apathetic and ends short" according to a quote by Nojima. I agree with this. So basically, whatever "feelings" were shared, are ONLY shared in the high affection version. This particular quote is MORE confirmation that no feelings are shared in the low affection version.

Now look at these:

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"Declares that the team should dissolve in the final hours before the final battle, and communicates his feelings together with Tifa, who remains behind at the airship with him." (FFVIIUO, pg. 15)

"When Cloud proposes that the group separates temporarily, she remains behind at the airship and communicates her feelings together with Cloud. " (FFVIIUO, pg. 27)

"When their companions disperse to the places where people important to them await, Cloud and Tifa are the only two to remain behind. They reveal their mutual feelings in their final hours, and......." (FFVIIUO, pg. 198)

"She communicates her feelings together with Cloud in the final stages of the story, and in AC and DC they live together." (CCU, pg. 33)

"Cloud and Tifa, who remain, reveal their feelings for each other and confirm them to match." (FFVII 10th AU, pg. 118; pg. 120 in the Revised Edition)

"And when Cloud and Tifa remain behind alone, in their final hours, they disclose that their feelings for each other match."
(U20 Scenario, pg. 232; main body of story summary)
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So all of these quotes do NOT say "If this" or "IF THAT" they just say, "This is what happened, period." In other words, Square is telling us that no matter what scene the player may have gotten, in the true canon outcome of that scene feelings were shared. Think of how Vincent and Yuffie is optional, but we know for a fact that they joined the team because they are shown in ACC and DoC and what not. The highwind scene ALSO has a canon outcome. Square has said this numerous times. Since we know feelings are NOT shared in the low affection version, the scene where feelings are shared must be canon. So now we have two things for sure.

1. The canon outcome of that scene has Cloud and Tifa sharing feelings.
2. They are feeling of romantic love.

You should be able to connect the dots from there. That's all.

[Tonberry_King]

Cloud and Tifa were childhood friends, so of course they'd have more time to develop feelings. Not to mention their convo outside the airship (wink wink, nudge nudge).

However, I think the developers meant for Aerith to be Cloud's main love interest. I'm not spoiling anything, but get to the end of disc 1 and you;ll see why.

[The Man]

Except that the developers have explicitly said that Cloud wasn't his real self for the entirety of disc one. Plus showing grief over a friend's death doesn't mean he has romantic feelings for them.

[DarkBahamut]

THEY ARE ENGAGED/MARRIED ALREADY. In AC, they show her ring and how she wants her to move on off of Aeris's death, because now they have their own lives ahead.

And Cloud doesn't love Aeris. He always thinks of her, because he is heart-broken that he let her die and witnessed her death 2 feet away from her and didn't even try stopping Sephiroth.

Plus, Cloud n' Tifa make a better couple anyways. And Aeris found interest in Cloud because he reminded her of Zack. She reminisced of Zack, but didn't love Cloud. If anyone, she loved Zack. I'm not hating on Cloud and Aeris fans, but I think Tifa and Cloud match much better.

The only reason Aeris and Cloud could be cool is because Cloud's mother told him that he should find a girl slightly older than him to take care of him.

BUT the biggest reason Cloud probably loves Tifa is because....well her chest (I had to mention her bust somewhere in this post.)

[sephyroth]

You see, heres the deal Cloud loves Aerith\Aeris for disc one,but then she
dies(o oh) so then cloud is forced to love Tifa(it's ether her or yuffie!)