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[MJN SEIFER]

But that text DOESN'T have a meaning. It's a random jumble of letters. At one point, it comes close to having a single word that's relevant, but it's not actually that word.

I can see what you mean, I just mean how it can be taken to have meaning, the same goes with other theories - a certain theory that's been going so long I don't even know who made it is based purly on a line said by Squall.

And that's fine. It's continuing on after the 'something' is gone that makes it based on nothing.

I am inclined to agree here, that is why all my theories that I am 100% sure have lost their "somethings" are added to the DH list. I will still post these eventually just so people can see them, but I will make sure it is obvious they are already false.

I can see where they come from too, but that doesn't mean they are concrete. He 'gets' the time is divided into several distinct geographic regions idea from the color test in Esthar. He 'gets' that the party is propagators based on 'personality traits' of propagators that aren't there. He 'gets' that the propagators aren't dead based on a blink cycle that simply isn't there. He 'gets' that Ellone is a robot and Rinoa is the real Ellone based on... Nada. He continues to base ever more grandiose theories on unsupported and completely tenuous theories that are unsupported. He jumps from fanciful notion to fanciful notion, acting as if the fanciful notions are support instead of further things to be validated.
THAT is what basing theories on nothing is.

I see what you mean, I am not saying all of FE's Theories are correct (if any), but I still like them more than most other theories I've read. I do agree that his "back up" can be confusing, because of the way he posts them sometimes but some of the theories (Such as the "Time Devision" thing and that Cid might be an evolved Shumi - which you haven't included on your list) to be the most potentially true of his theories - There is a litle more to the "Color Test" thing, than actually to do with color test based on things seen and said in the actual game. Again, they may or may not be correct, but I understand how he reached that conclusion. I have checked them.

Also the "Ellone = Rinoa" theory was based on something - he felt that the two characters looked similar (which they do to a degree) and during that scene where Rinoa "devides herself" in space, one of the "images" looks more like Ellone than Rinoa. This is one of his theories I don't support as much as his others (I really don't think Rinoa is anyone but...Rinoa), but I can see how he got this theory, just like all of you will (hopfully) see how I got all of my incorrect theories - as well as any currently "correct" theories of mine that can be proved wrong. One recent one already has been. Oh, and the "Ellone is a Robot" theory was ended ages ago - FE admited he was wrong on that one.

Thanks to my Greek friends,

The Ancient Greek version of κορε = Young girl or maiden.
The Modern Greek version of κορε = Daughter

There's a very good chance that SquareSoft doesn't know enough Greek, or hire Greek translators for that matter. You know if you change the language of your Input keyboard to Greek, you'll have some hard time putting exact Greek characters to finish a word.

Proof: they kind of did the same thing to Latin on the paintings in Ultimecia's castle. The Latin words on the painting are spelt correctly BUT the Latin sentences are wrong.

This is very simple because if it's just a ID thing or something out of random, SquareSoft could have put more disoriented Greek characters that means absolutely nothing what so ever, FAR from 'Young girl', 'Maiden', or 'Daughter'. These words are actually relevant in the world of VIII.

See? This is where Serapy reveals where (if this theory is correct) where the words could have some relovence to the game.

I am enjoying these threads. They are inspiring.

[Slothy]

This is very simple because if it's just a ID thing or something out of random, SquareSoft could have put more disoriented Greek characters that means absolutely nothing what so ever, FAR from 'Young girl', 'Maiden', or 'Daughter'. These words are actually relevant in the world of VIII.

Why would Square include one word in a jumble of nonsense that might have relevance to the games story?

More importantly, how does it have any more relevance to FFVIII than it would any other game, movie, or otherwise that ever featured a young girl/woman? If the word translated as witch or sorceress I might say you had an argument but I have to say there's nothing to indicate that it's either relevant or intentional. It's certainly not relevant beyond the sense that there are young girls (daughters) in the game.

Stick a thousand monkeys on a thousand type writers for a year and you're bound to get a proper word or two out of it. I'd imagine a team of artists at Square might have a bit more luck.

[Serapy]

VIII has so many women; especially powerful ones like sorceresses and 'unknown' entities such as Ellone. Women can be expressed as an symbolism in this game.

If you were Hyne, would you consider sorceresses as your daughters simply because they have your power?

[Darth Cid]

But Alexandria Castle is run by women, perhaps there's foreseen connection to FFIX.

[Ryushikaze]

I can see what you mean, I just mean how it can be taken to have meaning, the same goes with other theories - a certain theory that's been going so long I don't even know who made it is based purly on a line said by Squall.

This isn't even a line. This is Serapy taking something that's not a word, saying it is a word, and saying it has meaning, when the rest of the text it's surrounded by is the greek equivalent of 'ljhklmnh.'

I see what you mean, I am not saying all of FE's Theories are correct (if any), but I still like them more than most other theories I've read. I do agree that his "back up" can be confusing, because of the way he posts them sometimes but some of the theories (Such as the "Time Devision" thing and that Cid might be an evolved Shumi - which you haven't included on your list)

I would also include it on the 'based on nothing' category, along with the 'Shumi can evolve into anything' and various other notions of his.

to be the most potentially true of his theories - There is a litle more to the "Color Test" thing, than actually to do with color test based on things seen and said in the actual game.

It's an active visual camoflauge system. It needs to be able to broadcast in all colors. Hence the color test and various settings.

Again, they may or may not be correct, but I understand how he reached that conclusion. I have checked them.

Again, understanding how a conclusion is reached does not mean said conclusion has any substance, or basis in fact for that matter.

Also the "Ellone = Rinoa" theory was based on something - he felt that the two characters looked similar (which they do to a degree)

They're Nomura designed. There's a joke about his designs and looking the same.

and during that scene where Rinoa "devides herself" in space, one of the "images" looks more like Ellone than Rinoa.

I've seen that image. It doesn't.

This is one of his theories I don't support as much as his others (I really don't think Rinoa is anyone but...Rinoa), but I can see how he got this theory, just like all of you will (hopfully) see how I got all of my incorrect theories - as well as any currently "correct" theories of mine that can be proved wrong. One recent one already has been. Oh, and the "Ellone is a Robot" theory was ended ages ago - FE admited he was wrong on that one.

Did he not replace it with one more outlandish? That's hardly 'admitting he was wrong.

Thanks to my Greek friends,

The Ancient Greek version of κορε = Young girl or maiden.
The Modern Greek version of κορε = Daughter

There's a very good chance that SquareSoft doesn't know enough Greek, or hire Greek translators for that matter. You know if you change the language of your Input keyboard to Greek, you'll have some hard time putting exact Greek characters to finish a word.

Proof: they kind of did the same thing to Latin on the paintings in Ultimecia's castle. The Latin words on the painting are spelt correctly BUT the Latin sentences are wrong.

This is very simple because if it's just a ID thing or something out of random, SquareSoft could have put more disoriented Greek characters that means absolutely nothing what so ever, FAR from 'Young girl', 'Maiden', or 'Daughter'. These words are actually relevant in the world of VIII.

See? This is where Serapy reveals where (if this theory is correct) where the words could have some relovence to the game.

I am enjoying these threads. They are inspiring.

That is also where Serapy inadvertantly SHOOTS DOWN his own theory, because the rest of the text IS just random greek letters that mean absolutely nothing, and the word that's there isn't even κορε. He has to change what's there to get daughter out of it.

[Serapy]

I tried finding other Greek words that are close to Kope, none... only these words (Daug, girl, woman)

If Square didn't intend to put real words, they could have put like what they did in the first line.

[Darth Cid]

I got one! How about "Ellone = Edea"?

[Ryushikaze]

I tried finding other Greek words that are close to Kope, none... only these words (Daug, girl, woman)

If Square didn't intend to put real words, they could have put like what they did in the first line.

1. It's NOT kope.
2. EVEN IF it is kope, when 75 % of the text is utter nonsense, why expect deep meaning out of one simple word and what amounts to 'lfjkhsd whdbds jhkjhas'

[Serapy]

I tried finding other Greek words that are close to Kope, none... only these words (Daug, girl, woman)

If Square didn't intend to put real words, they could have put like what they did in the first line.

1. It's NOT kope.
2. EVEN IF it is kope, when 75 % of the text is utter nonsense, why expect deep meaning out of one simple word and what amounts to 'lfjkhsd whdbds jhkjhas'

My greek friends say otherwise... Sure it doesn't make sense as a whole, but if you only focus on one word at a time, you can lead to somewhere, far from 'lfjkhsd whdbds jhkjhas'.
But it's true that the characters in the first line are nothing but eye candy.

[Ryushikaze]

Context matters, bridgedweller. This is like seeing the word cat in the mix of what is otherwise gobbledegook. It doesn't mean that 'cat' is in their intentionally or that there's meaning to the gobbledeegook.

[Serapy]

No. If the developers don't know how to put proper Greek sentences, then understanding the context isn't important. However, it's easier to put a word and that's what matters.

They did the same thing to Ultimecia's paintings. The sentences are wrong, but the words are fine.

[Ryushikaze]

No. If the developers don't know how to put proper Greek sentences, then understanding the context isn't important. However, it's easier to put a word and that's what matters.

They did the same thing to Ultimecia's paintings. The sentences are wrong, but the words are fine.

But the words AREN'T fine, bridge dweller. The words are nonsense with one set accidentally making a mispelled word.
The letter clusters have semicolons and other punctuation in them, for smurf's sake.

[scrumpleberry]

please transliterate that word as "kore" it hurts my classics brain when you say kope

Also the words aren;t fine with incorrect capitalisation and accenting it's l1k3 tieping liek thys loél.

[Darth Cid]

I think my ovaltine post works.

[Ryushikaze]

please transliterate that word as "kore" it hurts my classics brain when you say kope :(

Also the words aren;t fine with incorrect capitalisation and accenting it's l1k3 tieping liek thys loél.

I 533 wut you did thar.