Boycott over the 360 inspired nerfing of the PS3 version?

[Serapy]

1. If they keep it a PS3 exclusive, they lose lots of potential money, and all the 360 players would lose out on a (probably) good game.

No. Xbox 360 doesn't count because there's a significant amount of people who pirate games for the console. That means money not guaranteed for the developers. It's money guaranteed for developers if they make a game only for PS3. This isn't the case because XIII is already multiplatform, anyway.

Also, it doesn't mean multiplatformity > exclusivity in terms of profit. You can still make a lot of money if you develop game for a specific console. It just depends on how you initialise your marketing strategy.

SquareEnix is a rich company. If they knew that going multi-platform (according to your belief that multiplaform = more money) would make a lot more money than single-platform, why didn't they stick with that plan from the initial announcement of XIII back in 06? Fastforward to 2 or so years later, they've changed mind and decided to go for multiplaform. Why? It's very obvious that Microsoft paid them to go for multiplatform.

And stop saying that 360 would lose a (probably) good game. Dude, 360 has a lot of good games already.

2. If I boycot the game, I lose out on a (probably) good game.

360 has many good games, and you would whine if no XIII?

3. Source on nerf?

Here's a classic example:

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Yeah, blame the downgrades and long delays on the Xbox 360!

[VeloZer0]

Your argument doesn't seem to make a lick of sense. They might not make as much money because piracy is more common on the 360. That seems an awful like a rationalization to explain what SE sees as a sound financial decission. And I can assure you they looked long at hard at the business implications of the decisions and have more information on which to base that decision than any of us will see in our lifetime.

Saying that keeping it guarantees money for the developers while releasing it on the 360 as well compromises their income is ludicrous. Simply put you are stating that for every copy that will be sold on the 360 someone will forgo purchasing it for the PS3 and pirate it on the 360.

Do we even know that they didn't have any plans not to develop for both systems? Even had they known from day 1, saving the release of that information for a later date is an extremely effective and cheep method for drawing attention to the title in the intermediary period between announcement and release. And so what if MS paid them to go multi-platform, more money to develop a game is a plus in my book.

And I can't understand why you think 360 owners wouldn't be interested in FFXIII because the 360 already has many good titles.

[The Man]

Who's going to skip FFXIII and go straight to vs XIII?

How about demonstrating against your local government for whatever skullduggery they are up to instead of taking video games too seriously?

hear, hear

[Bolivar]

VeloZer0, there's plenty of reasons out there why multiplatform could be a worse idea. One has been stated by professionals in the industry like Rockstar's Dan Houser - you only have to work on and market for one machine, all the while you get more support from the console manufacturer. Second, is that they've had to dumb it down and worse quality will depreciate sales. Third, it being multiplatform could depreciate PS3 sales as it's now seen as an inferior good compared to exclusive games.

Lastly and most likely is that sales on the XBox 360 will be negligible. In general, the type of "gamer" that own 360s don't like JRPG's. I remember an IGN 360 podcast a few months ago when they were basically finding the idea hilarious because no one they know with a 360 wants to play Final Fantasy XIII. I seriously doubt anyone like the Rooster Teeth guys are actually looking forward to this game.

In any case, a boycott is ridiculous. On a personal level, I'll want to play the game regardless, and in general the video game consummerate has not matured to where they can orchestrate effective boycotts. The closest has been Left 4 Dead 2 where they got Valve to continue to support both games with free content, but it seems like that's something Valve was doing anyway.

In any case, making it multiplatform was a bad move creatively, but probably not enough to warrant a boycott.

[Mirage]

1. If they keep it a PS3 exclusive, they lose lots of potential money, and all the 360 players would lose out on a (probably) good game.

No. Xbox 360 doesn't count because there's a significant amount of people who pirate games for the console. That means money not guaranteed for the developers. It's money guaranteed for developers if they make a game only for PS3. This isn't the case because XIII is already multiplatform, anyway.

Also, it doesn't mean multiplatformity > exclusivity in terms of profit. You can still make a lot of money if you develop game for a specific console. It just depends on how you initialise your marketing strategy.

SquareEnix is a rich company. If they knew that going multi-platform (according to your belief that multiplaform = more money) would make a lot more money than single-platform, why didn't they stick with that plan from the initial announcement of XIII back in 06? Fastforward to 2 or so years later, they've changed mind and decided to go for multiplaform. Why? It's very obvious that Microsoft paid them to go for multiplatform.

And stop saying that 360 would lose a (probably) good game. Dude, 360 has a lot of good games already.

2. If I boycot the game, I lose out on a (probably) good game.

360 has many good games, and you would whine if no XIII?

3. Source on nerf?

Here's a classic example:

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Yeah, blame the downgrades and long delays on the Xbox 360!

God damn it, read my post before you reply. I said apart from the "graphical nerf". It isn't even clear why it was done. It could have been because of the 360, and it could also simply have been because they wanted to ensure more smooth framerates on both consoles.

Second, I don't have a 360, so I'm not whining about not getting a game for that console. I'm talking about not boycotting the PS3 version, because that would obviously mean -1 game for me. It is irrelevant which console I've got anyway, why did you even bring it up? Even if I did have an Xb360, what I said wouldn't even be remotely similar to whining. If you're trying to troll, you're being awfully bad at it.

Third, even with higher piracy rates on the 360, it is pretty dumb to think that they won't earn any money on the 360 version. If that was true, we wouldn't see as many 360 games as we currently do.

[VeloZer0]

I didn't mean to say it was 100% guaranteed that going multi-platform was a good idea, the point was that Serapy's arguments to the contrary made no sense. The point was also that none of us have enough information or are qualified to comment on the economics of the situation, all we can offer is speculation.

"In general, the type of "gamer" that own 360s don't like JRPG's."

From what I have seen the JRPG library is just as good, if not better on the 360.

[Mirage]

Yes, the 360 is a good "RPG platform", and it took forever for the PS3 to get a decent RPG lineup (and IMO it's still the yet unreleased titles that will let PS3 catch up). Making a sweeping generalization like "XB360 owners don't care about FF13" is madness. In fact now that I think about it, maybe it is the decent amount of 360 RPGs that made SE think it would be a good idea in the first place.

[Nifleheim7]

I think the idea of boycotting a product is pretty much pointless.
I mean if someone believes that a product doesn't live up to his expectations he always has the choice to simply not buy it.Why does his decision have to be a part of some "greater cause"?

It's either you buy it or you don't.There's no in-between.

[Garnie]

I'm boycotting them ALL, and only getting the one that's coming out on N64.

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why does everyone hate 360? i dont get it. i love my 360! untill she red ring of deaths me. and thats only been the once.

I dont even wanna know about vs XIII its another example of square enix trying to bleed us for more money of what they think will "keep us interested" when the game it self will probably be unoriginal and crap. or not...i dunno.

hate spin of titles......all though strangely my biggest gaming secret is i kinda like X-2....but that was still crap and still makes me cringe lol.

[black orb]

why does everyone hate 360?.

>>> Is a Microsoft console, atleast thats the reason why I hate it..

Well, It looks like Squarenix doesnt even care about FF/Playstation fans anymore.. Sad but true..

[Moon Rabbits]

Who's going to skip FFXIII and go straight to vs XIII?

How about demonstrating against your local government for whatever skullduggery they are up to instead of taking video games too seriously?

hear, hear

Yeah, how about we boycott Coca-Cola so they stop killing their workers. That seems like it will have a far more tangible outcome than this stupidity.

Those screenshots posted don't look different enough for me to care ... I actually kind of prefer the second :/

[Mirage]

As if Sony as a company is so much better. So what if you don't like the 360? about 33 million others do, which is quite a few more people than who likes the PS3. And did you really think S-E cares about Playstation fans? I mean seriously? They've changed consoles in the past, they've made multi-console releases in the past, and they're doing it again with FF13. What S-E cares about is to earn money, not please fans of a certain lump of electronics, and if they ever cared before it would be because Sony paid them to care.

Also please explain to me *exactly* how they're ditching final fantasy fans, like you said, by letting more people than ever before play a specific installation of it. The only "fans" they would be "ditching" with a multiplatform release is the bunch of retards that are more interested in jerking off to how insanely much more awesome the piece of plastic and metal they bought is than what the others bought than the actual games, and to be quite honest, these people could go get swallowed by the earth in an inferno of flames for all I care.

Btw, I own a PS3, not a XB360.

-edit- post not aimed at moonrabbits

[black orb]

>>> Oh well, we can always play the original FF13 jap version..

[Mirage]

Which is gonna have different textures than the EU/US PS3 version?

[black orb]

>>> Well, if those screens posted by Serapy are correct, Yes..