Top 200 Games of all time

[Shiny]

I'm not too miffed about this list because it's just opinion; not fact.

4. Grand Theft Auto [strike]III (PS2, 2001)[/strike] Vice City.

142. Maniac Mansion: Day of the Tentacle (PC, 1993)

For the most part, the games they included I agree should be on there. It's the order where they put some of them that I'm not feelin'.

[Jibril]

Content editing inside tip: top x lists are created only to piss off the people who disagree with them (in this case that would be almost everyone), creating free publicity to the sites/magazines/etc. they are written in.

The fact that it's never made clear if innovation or quality are valued higher doesn't help -- this list would suggest that innovation took priority, but there's a ton of derivative crap on there. You have to separate them into different lists if you want the article to be cohesive and logical, but that's not what they want, they want you to talk/whine/argue about it.

That said, most of those games at least deserve to be in this discussion. Their placement will always vary wildly depending on the person, of course. To be honest, though, if I ever found myself sitting in a room talking to a few other dudes about whether Ocarina of Time is #9 or #8 on a huge list of great video games, I'd be forced to reconsider my career choice. It's almost as bad as 100-point review scales.

[Wolf Kanno]

And it's good not to see the 157,089th person put Ocarina of Time as the best game ever made.

Quoted for the mothersmurfing truth

I like the list to an extent but like others I do feel some of the ordering is a bit out of sync and there are a few "wtf?!" moments but realistically, speaking, trying to choose two hundred great games and then proceed to put them in a somewhat cohesive order of "greatness" is an act of insanity, there are far too many good games out there.

[G13]

30. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivious

I lol'd.

I'm with Jiro. I'm just gonna pretend there is no ranking system.

Some of these games seem like they were added randomly. Jak 3? Oddworld? They were okay games but top 200 of all time?

[Shattered Dreamer]

This list is quite frankly a crock of $h*t! For one its Nintendo bias (yeah the original Zelda was great beyond great but not the best game of all time!) & its missing some really awesome games!

[Timekeeper]

I think Perfect Dark should be there

[Slothy]

I think Perfect Dark should be there

I didn't even notice it wasn't. I'll agree with you though; based purely on being innovative as hell and an improvement on Goldeneye in pretty much every way imaginable. I've still yet to see a console FPS that offered the sheer number of multiplayer options that it did, and before move to online multiplayer for consoles things like bots were sorely needed if you ask me.

[Depression Moon]

The fact that it's never made clear if innovation or quality are valued higher doesn't help -- this list would suggest that innovation took priority, but there's a ton of derivative crap on there.

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Final Fantasy XII
A tale of political intruige surrounding a delicate armistice between continent-spanning empires, FF XII is a welcome break from the classic heroic journey that so many RPGs rely on as a backbone. Its gambit system shattered expectations, greatly rewarding those who put the time into mastering its nuances.

[guffman]

30. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivious

the irony is so good i can taste it!

[Laddy]

GTA3 as No. 4?

Really?

[Tavrobel]

FFXII should be the only FF on that list

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OHH MAN I LOL'D HARD

But yeah, this list definitely looks more like a list of games that had an impact on the industry, as opposed to what a list of good games is. While I won't say that those two are mutually exclusive, and there is certainly some overlap, some of these games shouldn't even be considered, while others are left out entirely. Sure you can say that GTA 3 and GTA: VC were basically the same game, you shouldn't try to fix what isn't broken.

Also, Diablo II > Starcraft what the hell? Are they basing this on how much my wrists hurt after playing either game, or are they basing it on the stupidity of the populace that plays it?

WTF NO AOE II? BULL

I lied. This list is crap.

[Meat Puppet]

How did they collect this data?

[Slothy]

Also, Diablo II > Starcraft what the hell? Are they basing this on how much my wrists hurt after playing either game, or are they basing it on the stupidity of the populace that plays it?

I'm not sure if you're just making fun of Diablo II there or both games. If it's the latter, then I won't bother getting into a debate of how amazing Starcraft is and simply laugh at you.

[Tavrobel]

I'm not sure if you're just making fun of Diablo II there or both games. If it's the latter, then I won't bother getting into a debate of how amazing Starcraft is and simply laugh at you.

I thought it was clear that Starcraft is superior compared to DII.

While I love Diablo II to death, it has serious, extremely serious, fundamentally serious flaws.

[Slothy]

I'm not sure if you're just making fun of Diablo II there or both games. If it's the latter, then I won't bother getting into a debate of how amazing Starcraft is and simply laugh at you.

I thought it was clear that Starcraft is superior compared to DII.

While I love Diablo II to death, it has serious, extremely serious, fundamentally serious flaws.

Okay then, I'm cool with that. I just couldn't tell from your post if you liked either of them.

I could live with someone telling me they didn't enjoy Starcraft, but if anyone outright said it was a bad game I would have to laugh before promptly schooling them in how wrong they are.