This game is so overrated.

[the_sandman]

Yes he killed Aeries, but he accomplishes nothing.

So let me see...

Regenerating his entire body + absorbing Lifestream + controling Jenova + killing President Shinra and everyone in the Shinra building + killing a main character + mentally torturing the main hero + summoning Meteor + waking-up the WEAPONS + holding back Holy + destroying Midgar + creating Geostigma + corrupting part of the Lifestream = nothing.

Ok. If you want to go into depth like that and point out every little detail, we'll do that. Before I begin, I just want to let you know that before, I was just pointing out the main accomplishments Kuja did, but now I'm going to get into all the minute tiny itty bitty details as well as the huge things he did.

Arrite. Here is the list of what Kuja did.

- Sent Zidane to Gaia so he wouldn't grow more powerful than him
- Create black mages for his evil purposes
- Created black waltz trio
- Created advanced weapons for warfare and supplied them to Queen Brahne
- Manipulated Queen Brahne
- Used Queen Brahne and the black mages to destroy Burmecia
- Advised Queen Brahne to kidnap and extract eidolons from Garnet who then used Odin to destroy Cleyra
- Under that same advice, Queen Brahne used Atomos to destory Lindblum
- Planted the lifa tree so it can supply the mist to create black mages.
- Survives Bahamut's attack easily and uses the same summon against its summoner, Queen Brahne, and betrays and kills her and her entire fleet.
- Uses Bahamut to destroy Alexandria.
- Kidnaps Eiko
- Obtained the power of Trance
- Defeats your party
- Kills Garland
- Destroys Terra (which by the way is a whole entire planet) easily.
- Defeats your party again when he casts Ultima.

Sephiroths overrated @ss got nothing.

[seiferalmasy2]

So you base judgement on a character based on what they actually achieved in the story? Even though that has absolutely nothing to do with how good a character is and has absolutely no bearing on how to rate a story.

How would we ever rate Quina Quen? haha

[Darth Cid]

You have to look at different things, like motives, strengths, and likeability.

I believe Sephiroth blindly follows a doctrine he created of studying research. Kuja finds Garland and Zidane a threat so above all his plans is kill them. Kuja is more logical, yet Sephiroth is more crazy.

Sephiroth looks more like a dude than Kuja, but Sephiroth's a momma's boy.

Kuja is tough, but Sephiroth is tougher and his Super Nova is a more valid threat to his opponents than Kuja's attack.

Both villains have great strengths and weaknesses.

[the_sandman]

So you base judgement on a character based on what they actually achieved in the story? Even though that has absolutely nothing to do with how good a character is and has absolutely no bearing on how to rate a story.

How would we ever rate Quina Quen? haha

I base villains on what they achieved in the story. Characters as in your party, I base them off of how they are developed.

[Jiro]

This is why I don't compare them. There are things I like and dislike about all of the titles, but they're trying to be different, not improve the same formula. The fanbase for VII is huge, and they're pretty fanatical. In that regard, it is over-rated. But it holds its own against games like IX, which is far better received by the less fanatical gamers but not as widely acclaimed.

It's unfortunate that people think they have to pick one FF that's better than the rest.

[the_sandman]

This is why I don't compare them. There are things I like and dislike about all of the titles, but they're trying to be different, not improve the same formula. The fanbase for VII is huge, and they're pretty fanatical. In that regard, it is over-rated. But it holds its own against games like IX, which is far better received by the less fanatical gamers but not as widely acclaimed.

It's unfortunate that people think they have to pick one FF that's better than the rest.

Sorry, but there's always going to be people like that, and I'm one of them.

[qwertysaur]

How would we ever rate Quina Quen? haha

Beyond words. Quina needs no action to show the amazingness

@topic: VII is not the best final fantasy IMO, but it is still a fun game to play

[line_genrou]

I actually think that Sephiroth is overrated.SO overrated beyond words.
The only huge thing he does,that actually affects us emotionally,is when he kills Aerith.
He's just a smurfed up guy that went mad.

One thing that doesn't make much sense is how most of the party joined the hunt for Sephiroth just for the hell of it.
I undestand how Vincent joined...but how about Yuffie and Cid? What relationship or connection they have with Sephiroth?
Cid's hate for Shinra doesn't justify how the party hunts Sephiroth to the end of the world and he follows them.

But the rest is cool,I think is a great game with fun sidequests and I like the characters personalities.
I'm not a fan of overlyhappy/everything is gonna be alright characters such as Tidus.I much prefer "smurf you" characters like Cloud and Squall.

[the_sandman]

I actually think that Sephiroth is overrated.SO overrated beyond words.
The only huge thing he does,that actually affects us emotionally,is when he kills Aerith.
He's just a smurfed up guy that went mad.

One thing that doesn't make much sense is how most of the party joined the hunt for Sephiroth just for the hell of it.
I undestand how Vincent joined...but how about Yuffie and Cid? What relationship or connection they have with Sephiroth?
Cid's hate for Shinra doesn't justify how the party hunts Sephiroth to the end of the world and he follows them.

But the rest is cool,I think is a great game with fun sidequests and I like the characters personalities.
I'm not a fan of overlyhappy/everything is gonna be alright characters such as Tidus.I much prefer "smurf you" characters like Cloud and Squall.

Exactly what I'm trying to say. The characters in VII have their stories, but it seems like their stories doesn't relate to Cloud's goal.

[The Crystal]

Ok. If you want to go into depth like that and point out every little detail, we'll do that. Before I begin, I just want to let you know that before, I was just pointing out the main accomplishments Kuja did, but now I'm going to get into all the minute tiny itty bitty details as well as the huge things he did.

Arrite. Here is the list of what Kuja did.

- Sent Zidane to Gaia so he wouldn't grow more powerful than him
- Create black mages for his evil purposes
- Created black waltz trio
- Created advanced weapons for warfare and supplied them to Queen Brahne
- Manipulated Queen Brahne
- Used Queen Brahne and the black mages to destroy Burmecia
- Advised Queen Brahne to kidnap and extract eidolons from Garnet who then used Odin to destroy Cleyra
- Under that same advice, Queen Brahne used Atomos to destory Lindblum
- Planted the lifa tree so it can supply the mist to create black mages.
- Survives Bahamut's attack easily and uses the same summon against its summoner, Queen Brahne, and betrays and kills her and her entire fleet.
- Uses Bahamut to destroy Alexandria.
- Kidnaps Eiko
- Obtained the power of Trance
- Defeats your party
- Kills Garland
- Destroys Terra (which by the way is a whole entire planet) easily.
- Defeats your party again when he casts Ultima.

Sephiroths overrated @ss got nothing.

Every little detail? lol
I didn't even mention the Midgar-Zolom he killed, or the barrier he created around the Crater, or the way he tortured the characters with telekinesis before the final battle...

You are just pissed because you said(in more than a single post) that he accomplished nothing, and I proved you wrong.
Well, deal with it.

And BTW Kuja didn't plant the Iifa Tree. Garland did it.

[the_sandman]

Every little detail? lol
I didn't even mention the Midgar-Zolom he killed, or the barrier he created around the Crater, or the way he tortured the characters with telekinesis before the final battle...

You are just pissed because you said(in more than a single post) that he accomplished nothing, and I proved you wrong.
Well, deal with it.

And BTW Kuja didn't plant the Iifa Tree. Garland did it.

Compared to Kuja's accomplishments...trust me, Sephiroth accomplished nothing. Maybe Sephiroth should go destroy a planet or something. Then he can compete.

[Darth Cid]

That. Sounded. Childess.

[Crop]

Every little detail? lol
I didn't even mention the Midgar-Zolom he killed, or the barrier he created around the Crater, or the way he tortured the characters with telekinesis before the final battle...

You are just pissed because you said(in more than a single post) that he accomplished nothing, and I proved you wrong.
Well, deal with it.

And BTW Kuja didn't plant the Iifa Tree. Garland did it.

Compared to Kuja's accomplishments...trust me, Sephiroth accomplished nothing. Maybe Sephiroth should go destroy a planet or something. Then he can compete.

That's a pretty stupid thing to say. Basically, every villain in the FF series has to destroy a planet to be a good villain?

You know what else was strange? How you said that Sephiroth hadn't accomplished anything, then someone listed a bunch, then you just totally ignored it and listed Kuja's accomplishments even though no one said he didn't have any. You're the only one compairing the two, everyone else is just saying you're not giving Sephiroth enough credit - even if you think he's overrated.

[the_sandman]

No. When I said "Sephiroth accomplished nothing", the guy took it too literal. As if I meant he actually accomplished nothing. Then he goes on and lists what Sephiroth did. As if he didn't take a second to think "hmmm maybe he's exaggerating." I know what Sephiroth did. It's just that Kuja is just more intimidating. Sephiroth does the basic attack and high level magic . Kuja does ALL that but he actually uses his head too. He manipulates people, while Sephiroth just goes around and does things on his own. Which is why I'm saying the underrated Kuja is more powerful then the overrated Sephiroth. I'm not saying Sephiroth is not a good villain. He's just not as good as people make him out to be...aka overrated. My last post was a joke post. Calm down. In fact, forget it. Just take everything I say literally. It'll be more fun this way.

[line_genrou]

Kefka.