. I think they could have easily established a separate character to join the party and actually be working for Shinra, or take an established Shinra employee and have them defect but then turn.
My character does much the same, he is spying on you works for shinr-ra and I won't spoil the restBUt I have thought about it and how to develop the character over time.
Weren't you griping at me to learn the elements of a STORRRRRRY? Maybe you should look up comic relief.Originally Posted by seiferalmasy2
I don't like Cait Sith, and I think I know why. When I was a kid, I never really understood the story when I played this game, and so how much I liked the characters was really based on how much I liked them in battle, and I really hated using Cait Sith in battle(I also never used to like Aeris, because I never liked using her either).
Actually, I think I still do this a bit. In FF12, I really don't care too much for Basch, Fran, and Penelo, because I always used the other 3, and in FF10, I don't care too much for Lulu, because I never used her much either.
Edit: Also, guys. Make a point without flaming, please.
>>> Cait Sith had the potential to become a legendary character, but two things totally killed him:
1- His weapon, a frigging Megaphone! you cant get any lamer than that..
2- The fat/pink/slow/ugly robot he was controlling..
>> The black orb glitters ominously... but nothing happens..
Clearly, part of the reason his joining is so unbelievable is likely due to the translation.
How? There's almost no reaction from the party to his joining. I would expect that a poor translation would just poorly translate dialogue, not cut dialogue entirely given the PSX had no issues with storing dialogue like previous systems. Perhaps you're implying that Cait Sith's dialogue was poorly translated, but what he says isn't the problem. The fact that no characters question his joining is.
Unless of course you read Japanese and know something I don't about the original Japanese script?
No, it isn't actually much different. The 1 part that is different is the temple of the ancients. He says that he is really a controlled robot and that he is replacable. This is kinda lost in the english version and looks instead to mean that he is dying...only for another to spring up.
The translation for him arriving is much the same.
Well, and I'm kinda trying to be serious and unserious at the same time here, maybe in Japan this sort of thing is more accepted. Not fully accepted, but more than us.
This is getting to be a bad habit of mine; Starting a thread and then not responding to it until there are so many replies...
To anyone who's mentioned the megaphone: What this basically is, is that Cait shouts through the megaphone and the "toy" attacks - the better the megaphone, the harder the toy will attack. Yes it is pretty silly, but I get it - they probably couldn't think of anything else for him to use, pluss it also had to be something stupid for Cloud to bypass the HP Shout near the start of the game.
To anyone who's said that Cait betrayed the team: Well... Did he really? Think about it, he never really caused any physical harm to any of the team, he saved the people of Midgar, he not only got the Black Materia out of the temple, but he also kept his promise not to give it to the Shinra, and for the remainder of the game he was there to make sure that the team knew in advance what the Shinra where doing. Actually you are right; he was a traitor - to the Shinra.
to seiferalmasy2: I can see your points on the matter, and I agree that saying that you are "taking things too seriously" is indead a stupid argument, so I am on your side there.
The thing about Red XIII - it is based on the probability that the team didn't know Cait wasn't a "real animal", so they probably thought "Oh, a talking animal - that's new(!)" I agree that the way he joins the party is poorly scripted, and although I've never seen the original translation on that scene - I trust you, because I know how much work you've put into resarching the translation. I think that the reason it looks so strange is because in FFVII your allies "dissapear" when they're not needed, so I think that Cait simply followed Cloud and Whoever in that scene, and ended up "officially" joining them later on.
Finally on the Final Farewell scene, again I don't know the actual translation of the scene, but I don't think the scene ever implied he was going to die - we already know he's a toy, so we won't be fooled. What gave you the impression we where meant to think he'd die? (In the PSX traslation)
Don't argue with seiferalmasy2, his opinion is fact! Contest it and you will be taken care of by his SCATHING PMs.
Last edited by Moon Rabbits; 01-02-2010 at 11:30 PM.
We weren't meant to think he would die but the english script is rather dodgy and that sad music doesn't help. It looks a bit silly when he goes through all that with the way they presented it and then pops up "Hi I am number 2"
But the translation of that was poor.
Any case, the overall premise was so absurd that I could not suspend disbelief...When I have finished Skolls story, see what you think
That wasn't needed.
I have studied that scene, and the conclusion I cam up with is that the reason the scene presented sadly (complete with music) relates to another characters death, not his. I have it written down somewhere and I will give it a thread of it's own.We weren't meant to think he would die but the english script is rather dodgy and that sad music doesn't help. It looks a bit silly when he goes through all that with the way they presented it and then pops up "Hi I am number 2"
But the translation of that was poor.
Any case, the overall premise was so absurd that I could not suspend disbelief...When I have finished Skolls story, see what you think
He betrays you and you're expected to keep trusting him even though he has given you no reason to do so. I feel thats quite a plothole
Kefka's coming, look intimidating!
Have a nice day!!
I'm not going for a thesis to explain this, but I have to throw my chips into the out of place crowd. Every screen he was in it just seemed like he didn't belong in the game. He just stuck out like a sore thumb. (Obviously I realize his importance to the story, I'm talking stylisticaly). If they had thrown in a cooler design for him I probably wouldn't have had anything against him.
(Yes, the megaphone was really lame, and by having only two limit breaks it just makes him feel that much set apart from the other characters)
As I've already explained he does give you reasons to keep trusting him.
I guess this a pure opinion thing, I didn't really notice that - I thought he fitted in just the right amount, but like say that's just my opinion.
And while I agree on the megaphone, I must remind you that "Slots" is multiple attacks so he doesn't need 7 Limit Breaks - Dice is just something to stop you getting something as fun as Slots straight away. It's like how Vincent only has 4 Limit Breaks, because each of his transformations have two attacks - those are his true Limit Breaks, just like Cait's true Limit Breaks are the skills that Slots give you.
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