Why is Cait Sith a hated character? (Serious Question)

[MJN SEIFER]

I'm a fan of this game.

I really don't get why he's hated, he's a fun character to use, an important part of the plot, I can still take the character seriously, and he is used in many of my main teams.

Is it because he's not human? I doubt it, because Red XIII seams to be a liked character.

Is it because he only has two Limit Breaks? Stupid reasons, because Slots is like a load of Limit Breaks in one.

Is it because he's a "Weak" character? Again a strange reason, because like all FFVII characters anyone can be your best character if you level them up correctly.

[Sephex]

He doesn't have spikey hair, a long sword, or a piss poor attitude that socially awkward people identify with.

[Rostum]

I liked him a lot better when I found out it was Reeve controlling him. Before that, he felt like an incredibly random character that didn't fit in anywhere.

So yes, I like him and it pisses me off that the big moogle toy wasn't in Dirge of Cerberus.

[Vermachtnis]

He attacks with a megaphone! WTF is that!?

Seriously though I don't get it either. I don't really use him all that much, but I don't go out of my way to not use him either.

[Elly]

for me it's because with one mistake in his slots and you can get the "Game Over" screen...

[seiferalmasy2]

I have an ongoing project to remove this character and replace him with a new one (Skoll Iscarit) that I have made. The reasons I hate Cait are:

1. His story is absurd. We have here a talking mechanical cat and a stuffed toy roaming about in what is supposed to be a reasonably realistic story. Look at how he enters your party for starters "I am coming with you no matter WHAT you say" to boot with a flimsy Fortune Teller story.

2. The idea this cat would be used by Reeve is silly. The idea that your party would converse with it is even more silly.

3. Cait looks stupid and is obviously a marketing ploy to sell stuffed toys.

4. He has 2 limit breaks and they are worthless (aside from the very hard "All Over" [game over] which will destroy your party should you line it up wrong)

He is a completely useless, unrealistic character (and by unrealistic I mean you cannot suspend disbelief).

He is the only thing I find unbearable about FF7 aside from the mediocre translation job.

I direct you here:

Break-Off.co.uk - The Forum For Snooker Debate • View topic - Get Rid Of Cait Sith Project

[MJN SEIFER]

I have an ongoing project to remove this character and replace him with a new one (Skoll Iscarit) that I have made. The reasons I hate Cait are:

I have respect for you, and I am a fan of your project (the translation one, NOT the Remove Cait one) so I will try to answer as respectfully as I can as I value your opinion - I just don't agree with it.

1. His story is absurd. We have here a talking mechanical cat and a stuffed toy roaming about in what is supposed to be a reasonably realistic story. Look at how he enters your party for starters "I am coming with you no matter WHAT you say" to boot with a flimsy Fortune Teller story.

It's harder to tell with the way FFVII designed party's, but I see what you mean about this, however - concider that the place they find him is the Gold Saucer, so it can be assumed that he is an attraction like those "chocobos" they have running around (could be guys in costumes, then again could be robots) so Cloud and co, shouldn't be too weirded out by him, once they get over the initial shock - on the other hand; they may assume he is "alive" at that point, they already have one talking animal in their party, why should this one be any different? I agree that the way he kind of forces his way into the group is a bit strange, but I let it go I think we're supposed to assume that he follows you and your second character, and they joins you later. Also the fortune telling is for forshadowing later scenes. And I think that if you go with the fact that he COULD be part of the Gold Saucer, and Shinra later told Reeve to regain control of him to spy on Cloud - he could be originally made for fortune telling, alternativly it could be Reeve who tells the fortunes?

2. The idea this cat would be used by Reeve is silly. The idea that your party would converse with it is even more silly.

Again, they already have an animal in the group. Reeve may have used that to his advantage, further more I strongly believe that Cait was originally made for the Gold Saucer - it's even got pictures of him! I think this was the easiest way Shinra could have entered with out sending someone themselves, also it helps with the Black Materia problem - with out a character like Cait the whole thing goes wrong, and you can't get it.

3. Cait looks stupid and is obviously a marketing ploy to sell stuffed toys.

Never seen any Cait Sith toys, but isn't that true for most "animal" characters - they've got the WHOLE cast of Pokemon for one thing.

4. He has 2 limit breaks and they are worthless (aside from the very hard "All Over" [game over] which will destroy your party should you line it up wrong)

Well personally, I find Slots pretty helpful its moves are fun to do, and I just love the randomness of it - it's fun not knowing what you get sometimes, the only problem is I wish "Toy Box" (or whatever it's called for you) did more damage - I know it's a penalty, but...

He is a completely useless, unrealistic character (and by unrealistic I mean you cannot suspend disbelief).

Well... Concidering all I've said, and the fact that a controlled toy COULD be made in a world like FFVII's, I CAN suspend disbelief very easily.

That's my opinion on the matter.

[seiferalmasy2]

, they already have one talking animal in their party, why should this one be any different?

because the other is a biological being with an entire history. Cait is a none living mechanical cat mounted on top of a stuffed toy, supposedly remote controlled by Reeve. It is just absurd.

[Rostum]

I think someone here takes the game too seriously.

[seiferalmasy2]

I think someone here takes the game too seriously.

There is nothing wrong with expecting and desiring a decent plot. FF7 on the whole has a great plot (I consider it the greatest for a game so far). Being a game does not make it exempt and there is no shame in taking a story seriously, to do otherwise in what is a character/story driven game is rather lame.

One of FF7's biggest strengths is its story, and it is fantastic to see how so many people (yourself included it would seem), fail to see why story must be good with such a game.

The retorts I always get for criticising a story are

"it is just a game"
"it is a fantasy"
"it is a sci fi"
"it doesn't matter"
"you take it too seriously"

If you ask me, that is just a poor excuse for saying you don't care about a story or simply don't understand why it is important in a game like Final fantasy. It isn't even close to constructive reasoning either, it is just an attempt at diversion by attacking the person and not the argument.

[Laddy]

I think the fact that Cait Sith is so crazy is the reason the plot worked.

I do think it requires more belief suspension than say, a Quina or Nanaki.

[Depression Moon]

Cait sith sucks. He equips a megaphone for combat but doesn't even use it. It's the mog doll that actually attacks. I don't see how the party wouldn't question hus existence. XIII had a good reason for going with them and Cait Sith just randomly came along. The mog thing isn't obviously alive as there are no moogles in VII's world. It was bizarre why no one questioned him and how randomly a new comes along after that Temple of the Ancients segment.


His limit break has the potential to kill himself and that's a no no.

Fifth reason is that he was a traitor to the party.

[line_genrou]

I don't care for him.
And after he we think he sacrifices himself to get the black materia from the temple of the ancients,there's another one?? That was a huge turn off.

[Marshall Banana]

He equips a megaphone for combat but doesn't even use it. It's the mog doll that actually attacks. I don't see how the party wouldn't question hus existence. XIII had a good reason for going with them and Cait Sith just randomly came along. The mog thing isn't obviously alive as there are no moogles in VII's world. It was bizarre why no one questioned him and how randomly a new comes along after that Temple of the Ancients segment.


His limit break has the potential to kill himself and that's a no no.

Fifth reason is that he was a traitor to the party.

Cait Sith is one of the best characters of FFVII for these reasons!

By the way, I think the super serious scene in which Cait Sith No. 2 pops up and introduces himself is hilarious. :kaolaugh:

[Jessweeee♪]

I like Cait Sith