Why is Cait Sith a hated character? (Serious Question)

[Rostum]

There is nothing wrong with expecting and desiring a decent plot. FF7 on the whole has a great plot (I consider it the greatest for a game so far). Being a game does not make it exempt and there is no shame in taking a story seriously, to do otherwise in what is a character/story driven game is rather lame.

One of FF7's biggest strengths is its story, and it is fantastic to see how so many people (yourself included it would seem), fail to see why story must be good with such a game.

The retorts I always get for criticising a story are

"it is just a game"
"it is a fantasy"
"it is a sci fi"
"it doesn't matter"
"you take it too seriously"

If you ask me, that is just a poor excuse for saying you don't care about a story or simply don't understand why it is important in a game like Final fantasy. It isn't even close to constructive reasoning either, it is just an attempt at diversion by attacking the person and not the argument.

You need to calm down and realise you're making a lot of assumptions about how I truely feel or about my knowledge on the subject. You know what they say about people who assume!

By the way, excluding FFXII, all Final Fantasy games have cheesy and childish story lines that cater to its target demograph (i.e. 15 year old boys), they are in no way indicative of good writing in any form of literature. So don't go spouting your nonsense to me, please.

The fact that you're going so far as to remove a character and replace it with a new model, texture, possible rig and animation (unless you reuse another character's), for another person's IP is just proof that you are taking it too seriously. I just don't think it's right to crap all over a group of people's vision just because you personally think you know better.

[Momiji]

I hated Cait Sith less than most of the FFVII characters.

[Raistlin]

Cait Sith was an entertaining character. An obnoxious robot controlled by a sympathetic Shinra worker? That sounds pretty interesting to me.

Cait Sith and Yuffie are the two most unjustly maligned characters from FF7's (the Yuffie-centered sidequest of her stealing all of your materia was one of the most interesting parts of the game).

[seiferalmasy2]

By the way, excluding FFXII, all Final Fantasy games have cheesy and childish story lines that cater to its target demograph (i.e. 15 year old boys), they are in no way indicative of good writing in any form of literature. So don't go spouting your nonsense to me, please.

The fact that you're going so far as to remove a character and replace it with a new model, texture, possible rig and animation (unless you reuse another character's), for another person's IP is just proof that you are taking it too seriously. I just don't think it's right to crap all over a group of people's vision just because you personally think you know better.

Firstly, your response was sarcastic and offputting, which is why you recieved the response you did and you deserved such a response. Secondly, I don't think "I know better", you have a choice whether to install the new character, complete with a new storyline, or leave Cait. You call it taking it too seriously. Fine. You don't care for a decent story for the character, but some of us do. Don't go red in the face, just don't install the mod.

I am not attacking your right to like that oversized stuff toy, I only criticise the character and offer alternative. I am sorry if you don't like that, deal with it.

[Breine]

1. He betrays the group (although he gets all goody goody later on)
2. He looks goofy - or the big white cat thing he's riding looks goofy.
3. He only has two different limit breaks.


I don't know.. maybe those three have something to do with it. I don't really have anything against him myself, although I've honestly never used him that much. I think I remember using him some more in my last playthrough, though.
- I'll give him some more chances in the future.

[Mirage]

1. He betrays the group (although he gets all goody goody later on)
2. He looks goofy - or the big white cat thing he's riding looks goofy.
3. He only has two different limit breaks.

Dude, he's riding a fat moogle doll.

I don't really hate the character, but I never really used him in battle because his limit breaks are unreliable. I dislike depending on luck too much in my games.

That being said, I didn't really notice a lot of things in the game that made me like him either. Getting the black materia doesn't count, cause he was just expending a replacable bot. Nothing special or emotional about that, just practical :p.

[Moon Rabbits]

1. His story is absurd. We have here a talking mechanical cat and a stuffed toy roaming about in what is supposed to be a reasonably realistic story. (also he is roaming around the Golden Saucer when you meet him - he fits right in, love love love). Look at how he enters your party for starters "I am coming with you no matter WHAT you say" to boot with a flimsy Fortune Teller story.

HAHAHAHAHA HO HO HO HOHO HO HO HAHAAHHA LOLOLOLOLOLOL GEE HEEE HEEE HEE HAR HAR HAR *gasp* OOOOOOOH HO HO HO. Seriously. LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO~~~~~~

I forgot that squatting contests at gay gyms to win wigs, anatomically impossible boobs, chocobo races, a random purple ghost "chocobo sage" that lives at the North Pole, an interstellar destroyer of worlds that can shapeshift and also has big boobs, gravity-defying hair, twenty foot long swords, snowboarding mini games with random balloons floating everywhere, magical orbs of crystalized souls that give you MAGIC, a shapeshifting vampire, a talking red dog-cat-warrior-mystic thing, and floating old men were totally realistic. Oh yeah and Barrett has a gun for an arm.

lololololololololololol. URRRRRRRR FUNNEEEEEEEE~~~

Also this:

Cait Sith was an entertaining character. An obnoxious robot controlled by a sympathetic Shinra worker? That sounds pretty interesting to me.

Cait Sith and Yuffie are the two most unjustly maligned characters from FF7's (the Yuffie-centered sidequest of her stealing all of your materia was one of the most interesting parts of the game).

[seiferalmasy2]

Is that supposed to be constructive debate?

Any case: If you read what I wrote you will seee I clearly state that we all know this is fantasy and that obviously some things are allowed and are turned a blind eye to but when it is a main character who is central to the MAIN PLOT, I would have thought it obvious that a toy cat on a stuffed toy does not cut the mustard.

There is a big difference. LIke usual the come back to the criticism completely fails to understand what a story is and what "suspension of disbelief" is. Until you understand these basic concepts you can't really have a proper opinion on it. ho ho ho hahaha hehehe wheeeee . err. yeah.

[Slothy]

It was bizarre why no one questioned him and how randomly a new comes along after that Temple of the Ancients segment.

These are the big reasons he bothers me. I don't hate him, but the story in FFVII is a lot weaker with him.

I mean, there have been plenty of poor explanations for characters joining parties before, but that doesn't make Cait Sith's any more acceptable. I'm pretty sure if some random mechanical cat on a Moogle doll tried to join my party for no other reason than to supposedly see how a fortune turns out I'd be saying thanks but no thanks. Add to that his complete lack of development until you find out he betrayed you, the weak revelation that Reeve was controlling him, and a death scene that was utterly cheapened by Cait Sith v.2.0 showing up immediately after the first dies and the whole thing is pretty sad.

Everything involving him in the story could have been re-written to make it a lot less absurd than it was. Hell, they could have kept the Cat riding a Moogle so long as his backstory was changed and they didn't half ass every plot twist that involved him.

[Marshall Banana]

I'm pretty sure if some random mechanical cat on a Moogle doll tried to join my party for no other reason than to supposedly see how a fortune turns out I'd be saying thanks but no thanks.

Are you kidding? You wouldn't be able to resist his cuteness and charm.

Has anyone mentioned Cait Sith's theme music yet? It's great!

[Moon Rabbits]

Is that supposed to be constructive debate?

No, I tried to make that obvious though

Any case: If you read what I wrote you will seee I clearly state that we all know this is fantasy and that obviously some things are allowed and are turned a blind eye to but when it is a main character who is central to the MAIN PLOT, I would have thought it obvious that a toy cat on a stuffed toy does not cut the mustard.

The shapeshifting vampire, talking cat-dog-mystic-warrior thing, the men with gun arms, the interstellar alien with blue boobs, and floating old man are all also central to the MAIN PLOT.

There is a big difference. LIke usual the come back to the criticism completely fails to understand what a story is and what "suspension of disbelief" is. Until you understand these basic concepts you can't really have a proper opinion on it. ho ho ho hahaha hehehe wheeeee . err. yeah.

I'm fairly certain I know what a story is. As for suspension of disbelief ... uh, shouldn't the existence of a giant talking doll sort of fall under that category

[Slothy]

The shapeshifting vampire, talking cat-dog-mystic-warrior thing, the men with gun arms, the interstellar alien with blue boobs, and floating old man are all also central to the MAIN PLOT.

Well, let's be fair; Vincent isn't really central to the plot at all.

[seiferalmasy2]

I'm pretty sure if some random mechanical cat on a Moogle doll tried to join my party for no other reason than to supposedly see how a fortune turns out I'd be saying thanks but no thanks.

Hahaha spot on :P

I would also add that the story is weakened by Cait. To have that thing roaming about with your party makes the plot look stupid and the plot is dealing with some serious issues:

Death, Misery, Suffering, prison, Friendships, Suicide...they are all in the game, and having a bouncing stuffed toy in the middle of it just ruins the dramatic side to things.

[vinnie's mini's]

I don't really have a problem with Cait Sith myself - Sure I didn't fall madly in love with him but neither did I hate him to the extent that I couldn't look at him. I'll admit that I didn't use him much in my party as there were other characters which I prefered over him.

I quite agree that his whole storyline and entrance to the party could use improvement. I myself found it a little strange how he simply forced himself into the party without Cloud (Or any of the other characters) seemingly putting up a fight to force him back out of the party. I don't know, perhaps Cloud has a secret love for stuffed animals perhaps?

Looking past this however, I did find the idea that Reeve was controlling him as a spy for Shinra interesting. I thought it was a different way for a character to be involved in combat without physically being there. I don't find it strange that someone would create something to fight in their place if they themselves weren't capable of physically doing it - Come on Reeve looks like an office kind of guy ;D

So yeah, I'm kind of neutral towards the little guy. I found him to be random, slightly entertaining and cute to boot.

[Slothy]

Looking past this however, I did find the idea that Reeve was controlling him as a spy for Shinra interesting. I thought it was a different way for a character to be involved in combat without physically being there. I don't find it strange that someone would create something to fight in their place if they themselves weren't capable of physically doing it - Come on Reeve looks like an office kind of guy ;D

I won't disagree with any of that necessarily, but I do find it odd that the director of urban development would be controlling a mechanical cat as a Shinra spy. I think they could have easily established a separate character to join the party and actually be working for Shinra, or take an established Shinra employee and have them defect but then turn. Heck, even having Shinra manipulate a character might have worked better. I just don't think Reeve controlling him worked because it raised the wrong kind of questions, like how were you supposed to know the cat was mechanical and why the hell would they pick Reeve to control it. It just came out of nowhere and doesn't make much sense when you think about it too hard.