From the sounds of it, you didn't really give these games the time of day. But I agree, I'd like a return to a more European medieval setting. I like high fantasy, low tech settings. But even in the more modern settings of VII and VIII, it was still pretty high fantasy with magic and beasts everywhere.
Weirdly enough (and you're all welcome to think it's weird, too), I was thinking of submitting a story for Square to use for 15 that would combine some of the old elements and the new ones. Don't have all the details ironed out, but . . . that's what I wanted to do.
They probably wouldn't bite, anyway, but still . . .
I liked the setting of VI and VII quite a bit, but I think a return to series roots would be nice for the next entry.
I don't really like when games have architecture that has a futuristic feel to it, even if the overall level of technology isn't that high. Something like industrial revolution in FFVI is much more appealing to me than the (for lack of a better term) Star Wars ep1-3 styling in later entries.
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And why would I? I'm completely turned off by their setting. It's like . . . your typical guy sees a trailer for a romantic comedy, and he thinks "ugh, yuck!" . . . Now even if everyone insists that the RomCom had a great plot and interesting characters and such, he's probably never going to go out of his way to see it because he's turned off by romantic comedies. I am turned off by non-medieval high fantasy RPGs. And that wasn't a problem until FFVII.
The one game that S-E HAS made recently that seems to epitomize what I like was developed for the DS and was not released in NA (Final Fantasy Gaiden: 4 Warriors of Light). So even when they DO develop what I like, they half-arse it (put it on a DS) and don't release it outside Japan. Argh!
The thing is romantic comedies can be set in space, in 1930's New York, at the bottom of the ocean etc. That's not applying to the setting you would be right if you were saying you just don't like RPGs so why would you play one, but since the argument is against settings and not genres, that comparison is irrelevant.
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MMORPG's and RPG's seem to be a different catagory all together. Whereas RPGs are being shoved into Space-Lazer areas, for the most part, most currently huge MMORPG's are set in Medieval-ish ages.WarCrack isn't an RPG per se, but it is super commercially popular and takes place in such a setting.
Also, I think for the most part you shouldn't write off any video game until you played it. My latest obsession is Valkyria Chronicles (search my recent posts, I'm sure I've brought it up multiple times), and the SEGA logo on it didn't draw me in. But it came heavily recommended and now I'm obssessed
If you don't enjoy the setting, I don't see how you can enjoy the game.
For example KH II (only one I've played). I enjoyed the gameplay, but strongly disliked the Disney elements to the game. It was only because of the Final Fantasy characters thrown into the mix that I even picked it up in the first place, and even then I barely got through it. Had it been a Disney only affair, there would have been no point in me ever picking it up, even if it had the most enjoyable gameplay in the world.
Well I agree you should never judge a game by its cover, so to speak, but if the setting of the game is something that you know you will hate it is somewhat of a waste to even try to get into it for gameplay reasons.
I think that the setting really, really, really, REALLY has to not be your cup of tea to not enjoy the game. I usually rate gameplay first, so I could enjoy Naruto if they made the game good, I borrowed one of those games. It wasn't terrible, it had promise, and if they had cracked that potential, I would've been able to deal with any sort of "BELIEVE IT" yelling.
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I've never gotten this "true FANTASY" argument I keep seeing lately. None of the Final Fantasy games have strayed from fantasy as a genre in the least, and anyone who thinks "SWORDS AND KNIGHTS AND WIZARDS AND OMG TOTALLY DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS CARBON COPY = TRUE FANTASY!!!!" doesn't know what "fantasy" is.
Furthermore, I quite like; no, LOVE what the FF series has done by making futuristic elements clash with that which is particularly primitive, all set in within fanciful magical realms. So no, I really hope they don't decide to appease the idea that "fantasy" means "Tolkien wet dream" with XV.
And that's really all I'm going to say here.
What you didn't get that I wasn't comparing genres TO settings, but forms of entertainment in general.
I have to disagree. For me, it's very important. I could never be interested in playing an RPG that takes place in a modern setting, nor a Western (cowboys/indians) setting, nor a futuristic setting . . . nor anything post-Renaissance (or the equivalent), I guess. I'm picky, I guess. Or very specific in my video game likes.
I don't think ANYONE here has said anything of the sort. I'll be the first to admit that you can have a modern or even futuristic setting and it still be a "fantasy" story. What I have been saying is that I have a specific brand of fantasy I like (high fantasy) which FF adhered to for the first five games and then abandoned, only to return to it once more in IX.
I'm just ranting/wishing that I get some more of the old stuff in a future FF. Especially soon.
I like that up unto a point. I like the Tower of Babil and the Giant of Babil in FFIV. I like the robot in FFI. I like small, tiny pieces of such technology to exist in that sort of world. Small enough to not make much of an impact on the setting at large, but potent enough to make you wonder.Furthermore, I quite like; no, LOVE what the FF series has done by making futuristic elements clash with that which is particularly primitive,
I like that in books, too.
The Wayfarer Redemption series is absolutely high fantasy. Yet in one brief paragraph the characters are wandering through an ancient tunnel and note that the floor of the tunnel is a strange black substance with faded yellow lines stretching down it. And that's it. Just enough to make you wonder.
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It depends person to person. For someone like me (and presumably Bastian as well) if the setting is un-enjoyable then the game is like nails on a chalk board. That said, there is a difference between not liking a games setting (lack of things you like), and disliking a games setting (abundance of things you loathe).I think that the setting really, really, really, REALLY has to not be your cup of tea to not enjoy the game. I usually rate gameplay first, so I could enjoy Naruto if they made the game good, I borrowed one of those games. It wasn't terrible, it had promise, and if they had cracked that potential, I would've been able to deal with any sort of "BELIEVE IT" yelling.
I've never been hugely on top of taxonomy, but I think that is referred to as "high fantasy". Seeing as airships and technologically advanced ancient civilizations are somewhat of a mainstay of the 'classic' FF titles, I don't think the argument that FF ever fit into this classification is valid.I've never gotten this "true FANTASY" argument I keep seeing lately. None of the Final Fantasy games have strayed from fantasy as a genre in the least, and anyone who thinks "SWORDS AND KNIGHTS AND WIZARDS AND OMG TOTALLY DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS CARBON COPY = TRUE FANTASY!!!!" doesn't know what "fantasy" is.
Furthermore, I quite like; no, LOVE what the FF series has done by making futuristic elements clash with that which is particularly primitive, all set in within fanciful magical realms. So no, I really hope they don't decide to appease the idea that "fantasy" means "Tolkien wet dream" with XV.
And that's really all I'm going to say here.
I like both settings, but I prefer a more "modern age" setting like VII or VIII, with a more contemporary feel.
What I want is Middle Age Africa used in more RPG's. That's why I loved Guild Wars Nightfall so much. <3
I'm a sucker for Africa.
I like SE's desire to explore how to do "fantasy" in different types of settings, but I do think it's time the series tries its hand again at a more traditional medieval fantasy type of game.
Personally, I'd like to see XV as a serious game (including reflecting XIII's effort at more realistic-looking humans and creatures as opposed to IX's emphasis on anime-ish caricatures), set in a medieval fantasy-style world and taking the old job classes out for a spin using modern technology: black mage cults in their blue robes and witch's hats, white mages in their white robes with red-slashed sleeves, armored knights, ninjas with throwing stars, red mages with cavalier hats, air"ships", blue magic, the old summons including Ramuh, Ifrit, and Leviathan...
I wouldn't want a retread of the old job systems, but come up with something that suits the modern gaming experience using the traditional job designs.
Hardware has advanced a ton since the days of IX, and especially the I-V era, and it would be nice to see how a medieval fantasy world would turn out in modern hi-def.
(As an aside, I'd also like to see SE try to make a futuristic FF that didn't take itself so seriously)
I don't dislike the newer games at ALL, but I would love it if XV was a return to ye olde elemental crystals and job system formula, but perhaps with a twist to bring it up to speed... How does job fusion sound? xD
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