Still think Zell Dincht is a homo.
I think there's a mod out that let's anyone romance anyone in Dragon Age, and so a male can hook up with Alistair. Not sure though. I just got certain mods that made the game less annoying, not the myriad of sex mods.
Oh you kids and your zany slang words.Originally Posted by Moon Rabbits
Because of stereotypes, to answer you simply. The stereotypical idea of a gay man is a girly effeminate weakling of a nancy boy. Vaan is pretty effeminate. Kratos is a manly muscle man with a staunch deep voice who slices stuff up, bathes in it's blood, then screws women in the cabin of his stolen pirate ship. That's pretty much the epitome of masculinity, in video games at least.
That, and Kratos actually had sex with women, whereas Vaan didn't go anywhere near that.
It's silly to still think like this beyond age 14. A lot of people do though.
Vaan is significantly more feminine-looking than most any male JRPG protagonist out there, though. However from what I understand, males that are somewhat effeminate in Japan aren't really looked upon over there as "probably gay". However, in America they are looked upon as "probably gay" for obvious reasons.
I think its more how he acts. Nancy boy is a good description. There are some -really- effiminate depictions of Cloud and Sephiroth out there. But they're both capable of ripping your face off if they wanted. Doesn't really help the case since they're considered homoerotic a lot anyway. But still. They can be seen as a threat. Vaan is mostly just seen as a joke. But I think people's bigger problem is that audiences are just getting tired of pretty boys these days. Despite the fact that sprites didn't do a character design much justice. So if you take into account the art on how a character is supposed to look. We've been dealing with pretty boys since like NES. Its getting old. And I think the hate is more of a lashing out. The trend is way old and time to go
And I seem to recall playing an RPG with a gay guy in it. Was it Enchanted Arms? Not sure
Yes, I mentioned that earlier. You're thinking about Makoto, and he's an absolute trash character. Most stereotypical "gay man" you can possibly think of.
I'm not... QUITE sure what you mean by "pretty boys", but if you're talking about characters like Cloud, then I don't really mind them at all. To be honest I've never heard anybody rage about it like you just did, but for the most part it's fine because they also tend to be quite strong or powerful at the same time, which is something I like about them. It's a nice contrast to western characters that tend to be burly and ugly, which I see an awful lot of and I'm getting really sick of. I think Vaan is just too effeminate overall, and it really annoys me. He's not even attractive in the slightest. I really do not like his character design, nor anything else about him. For the record, this is the opinion of a gay male [though I think everyone knows that I'm gay by now]. I do think however, that some western-straight guys [JUST SOME, I'M NOT SAYING ALL OF THEM] feel a little offended or threatened by attractive male characters.
I wasn't trying to rage about anything. More expressing opinions I know are out there. My point was the contrast. That if Vaan maybe had super powers and slapped some people around he might not be seen as such a sissy-boy
And I wasn't trying to say Makoto was a -good- gay character. Pretty much -everyone- in that game was very two dimensional, stereotypical, and over the top in some way
I really wouldn't mind seeing well portrayed homosexual characters in games
Haha I figured not, but it sounded a bit like that I think.
Yeah I can agree. I personally can't even shake off that "sissy-boy" image of him. I don't even want to see him that way but they made it hard for me not to. It may just be because I'm not really used to it. However, I doubt he's actually gay, though most of the western-audience will assume so out of ignorance and spite.
Yeah, I agree. Makoto did make me laugh at least.
Me neither! I think a character like Zevran is a start in the right direction. You definitely won't be seeing him on any of my top 100 lists, but he really wasn't that bad either.
Even though it kinda sucks, Phantasmagoria 2 had a heroic and relatively realistic gay character whom the (male) main character has feelings for.
As Spoony said, "He's the best one there!"
Oh gawd. Someone -else- sat through that ten hour review/play-through? :P Yeah. He wasn't quite as real as he could have been. But he probably was the least over-acted or drab character
Yes, but aren't the gay characters in that game all about the promiscuity and moral gray areas too? I think that was the original problem folks had with Zevran.
Gerard Magimel! "OH Buigen!"
(SPOILER)Do not fret, dove. For long is it not that Square Enix will realize the error of its ways and reveal Cloud's true leanings. That despite his masculine and somber overtones, he's a true meat-eater.
Y'know, I think a major problem with portraying a gay guy as "normal" is finding the right way to do it. How do you actually define a guy in a game as gay without cliche short of showing him actually making out with another guy?
(SPOILER)
So to be "straight", you have to have deeper issues. lol.
(SPOILER)Does anybody call you a pretty boy? I think I recall being called that at least once. I was late teens, slim, just starting to benchpress, short hair, acne-free, and was not yet entirely engrossed in facial hair.
Personally, I do feel threatened by "pretty boys", 'cause they stir a lot of attention from girls. At least, that was previous understanding. I later came to realize girls like to blab and a guy is nothing without something clever to say. That's why I spent so many years alone because I never opened my mouth other than to answer math equations.
Personally, I believe Vaan's are the coolest-looking attacks in the game. Then again, I'm a bit of pyro by nature so I'm biased. But it's not about power or physique, the main problem is personality. Vaan would be cooler if he rocked the pirate leadership flaunted by Balthier or the soldier mannerisms of Basch. We wouldn't really care too much about his looks by then. In fact, given Basch's looks, if he had carried Vaan's attitude and mannerisms through the game, you'd probably just think he was "lighthearted."
BTW, how would it be if someone like Barret was revealed to be gay?
Jack: How do you know?
Will: It's more of a feeling really.
Jack: Well, that's not scientific. Feeling isn't knowing. Feeling is believing. If you believe it, you can't know because there's no knowing what you believe. Then again, no one should believe what they know either. Once you know anything that anything becomes unbelievable if only by virtue of the fact you now... know it. You know?
Will: No.
If Demolition Man were remade today
Huxley: What's wrong? You broke contact.
Spartan: Contact? I didn't even touch you.
Huxley: Don't you want to make love?
Spartan: Is that what you call this? Why don't we just do it the old-fashioned way?
Huxley: NO!
Spartan: Whoa! Okay, calm down.
Huxley: Don't tell me to calm down!
Spartan: What's gotten into you? 'Cause it sure as hell wasn't me.
Huxley: Physical relations in the way of intercourse are no longer acceptable John Spartan.
Spartan: What? Why the hell not?
Huxley: It's the law, John. And for your information, the very idea that you suggested it makes me feel personally violated.
Spartan: Wait a minute... violated? Huxley what the hell are you accusing me of here?
Huxley: You need to leave, John.
Spartan: But Huxley.
Huxley: Get out!
Moments later Spartan is arrested for "violating" Huxley.
By the way, that's called satire. Get over it.
Gay Tony I've heard isn't a sterotypical homosexual in a video game.
This isn't some lame attempt to brag, but yes, quite a lot. I don't really have any facial hair, and I still look pretty young. I'd be lying if I said that I didn't enjoy the attention...
But guys that do have a little moustache or whatever shouldn't have to worry since it can be shaved off very cleanly and with relative ease using today's modern razors.
No. Just no. And my negative reaction isn't because he's black for any wise-asses here, because I'd feel the same way about some heavy, nasty, overly-built, ugly white guy toting a huge gun or whatever. Not my type no matter what colour you paint on him.
Valid points, I guess its a mixture of looks and mannerisms. I just think that, for me, I would probably have taken him a bit more seriously if (and I was only stating for example) he had freaked out at any point in the story... or at least, any point up until I lost interest. If he goes crazy and tries to murder someone late in the story then uh... my bad
But there are other ways in which I would have seen him as "redeemed" from the "sissy boy" status. And like MILF pointed out. I consider him more "gay" than "homosexual"
He was nice enough and sacrificed his life to heroically overthrow an evil corporation. Probably one of the few *good* characters.Yes, but aren't the gay characters in that game all about the promiscuity and moral gray areas too? I think that was the original problem folks had with Zevran.
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