There are enough moments which show Sephiroth is stronger. And when it is officially stated Cloud has used all of his power in Advent Children and Sephiroth has not used all of his power in Advent Children - and we know Cloud is not successful in this battle except with his final attack - you see Sephiroth is stronger. No definition is necessary when Square states who is the stronger one. You can read it in the Ultimania, you can read it in interviews and you can clearly see it in Final Fantasy VII how often the characters fear Sephiroth's strength. I do not write this because I love Sephiroth that much, almost every Final Fantasy character is weaker than the main villain. And if you think controlling Cloud's mind, or fighting him while Cloud seems to be a newbie who cannot hit Sephiroth (and we all know he is not weak) is no hint, then I do not know what's a hint for you.Originally Posted by Raistlin
I accept what you think. But do not look at facts and say they are non-existent like Square's statements which are proof enough.
But this is not the right topic, so I'll stop posting about this here.
EDIT: Okay, you definitely don't accept the truth of Square itself. I've already said, I do not need a definition. Stronger is stronger, which means their strength in every term about fighting. And when you think Cloud is the better fighter just because you ignore facts which are existent and not vague (when Square shows in AC fights like no except him is able to fight so even Cloud is defensive, then you call that "vague", yeah - of course...and you call it "vague" when Square says, Sephiroth is stronger..."Sephiroth is stronger." from Square means "Sephiroth is stronger." in both physical and magical battle; there is no difference for them, otherwise they would say it). And I am sorry, but when the creators of Cloud and Sephiroth say something about them, it is a universal fact, I do not need to pretend something, when it already exists. And that's not my first discussion. I discuss abour Final Fantasy every day and I am always using the lines in Final Fantasy, the lines of the Ultimania Omega and Square's interviews. I am using "vague and undefined terms", lol. Everything I tell you can be seen and read in Final Fantasy. Especially the AC battle when Cloud trys to fight against Sephiroth but is clearly defensive can be seen easily. And it is also written in the Ultimania, Cloud was at his limits like Kadaj was against him, but Sephiroth didn't even sweat and show all of his powers while fighting him. So I do not know what I should pretend about these things. They are facts, officially stated by Square-Enix. Your last part about "You seem to be looking about..." prooves you don't want to believe there is a truth from Square themself. You want to believe it is a matter of definition. But it is not. I have read your first post about definition. If it would be a matter of definition in case of Cloud and Sephiroth I would clearly make a difference where Cloud is stronger and where Sephiroth, but I do accept what the creators of them say. So, if you think it is a matter of definition and say Cloud is the better fighter and Sephiroth is the better wizard, then why don't you include all of their abilites in battle? Sephiroth as swordsman, as wizard and as a psychic fighter? Why don't you take all of these things for "better fighter"? Just because I draw the Exodia combo in the TCG "yugioh" against a world champion I am not better in this game than the world champion. He can still know much more about the game, the rulings than me and he can still beat me with all of his cards when I do not have enough luck to draw the combo. So Cloud wins, but that doesn't mean he is better in fighting than Sephiroth.
Well, after all it is prooved by Square so I don't need to discuss. I think the edit is okay for you, because this is off topic here.
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