Fang and Vanille *spoiler*

[Serapy]

Did you know that Fang used to be a man in the original plot?
Square-Enix changed thier mind on Fang's gender during the middle of the game's development. Due to thier deadline, they did not have enough time to change the scenes between Vanille and Fang. They only changed the model of Fang's and some dialogues.

Fang was originally a guy.

Source:
Final Fantasy XIII Update - PlayStation 3 News at IGN

Now, you should start visualising Fang as a man and then re-think the whole storyline. Suspect anything?
With Fang being a man, I think that everything between him and Vanille would make more sense. Consider:
(SPOILER)Vanille touching Fang's boobs
(SPOILER)Fang pulling Vanille's skirt
(SPOILER)Calling her a partner
and more.

The point of this thread is that if Fang was still a man, you all would automatically assume that Fang (male) and Vanille are in a relationship. Just like Snow / Serah. Lol, typical ...

But Fang is a female now, and you all assume that they are not lesbians, just sisters. Why? There's nothing wrong with lesbians, you know. They don't explicitly say 'I love you' to each other, why? It's just how the Japanese culture works.

Conclusion: they changed Fang's gender while the importance of between Fang and Vanille remains the same due to SE not having enough time to re-change everything. This proves that Vanille and Fang have a strong bond with each other. They are lebsians.

You know... if you actually consider Fang and Vanille as sisters, what about Lightning and Hope? Lightning and Hope are obviously brothers/sisters to each other. But yet they don't have that strong bond like the one Vanille and Fang have.

[Imperfectionist]

Yeah I kinda suspected they might be lesbians from the start. I mean friends would've made sense if Fang hadn't said she was her partner. As would sisters, if they looked similar. The only other way they could've meant it would be like 'partners in crime' kind of thing but meeehh.

[Shlup]

But Fang is a female now, and you all assume that they are not lesbians, just sisters.

I don't know where this "you all" is coming from. I've thought they were in a relationship all along.

That's interesting that Fang was a dude though. I admit, I think I would have preferred that. I like strong-chick-Fang, but... I can't help it, I don't swoon over girl-girl relationships like I do hetero or even guy-guy relationships. *shrug*

[Raistlin]

Now, you should start visualising Fang as a man and then re-think the whole storyline. Suspect anything?
With Fang being a man, I think that everything between him and Vanille would make more sense. Consider:
(SPOILER)Vanille touching Fang's boobs
(SPOILER)Fang pulling Vanille's skirt
(SPOILER)Calling her a partner
and more.

The point of this thread is that if Fang was still a man, you all would automatically assume that Fang (male) and Vanille are in a relationship. Just like Snow / Serah. Lol, typical ...

I disagree. None of that stuff you have under spoiler tags (which aren't spoilers at all) is remotely persuasive to even hint at that conclusion. The second one was to check the advancement of her l'Cie brand (which is weirdly high up on her thigh). The third is all about context, and the first part would be weird for even lesbians to do upon being very emotional and relieved to see each other after now knowing if the other person was dead or alive. You even stated that SE did not have enough time to change all of the scenes, and if Fang was a guy Vanille's hand would simply be on his chest, which is perfectly innocent; you can't selectively ignore that part.

You pointing to Lightning and Hope is weird, because those two haven't known each other for as long and they're different people. Not all relationships (platonic or sexual) are exactly the same.

EDIT: I'm not ruling out the idea that they are lesbians. I just have yet to see any evidence to support that conclusion.

[Loony BoB]

I'm sorry, where's the proof? Some touching? If that's the case, I can probably provide proof of a Sazh/Vanille relationship pretty much equally. Likewise, Hope also likes Vanille. Ever consider that Vanille might just be a cuddly person? She hugs everyone. She's touchy-feely with everyone. Fang lifts up her skirt, but she also encourages Lightning to pull open her top saying "Don't be shy" - basically, when it comes to checking up on brands, Fang doesn't hold back.

As for the supposed boob grab, I really think people are reaching when they go to that. I've seen girls touch each others boobs on numerous occasions without any sexual intention.

Like Raist, I wouldn't rule it out completely, but I see nothing to support it unless you're going to start clutching at straws. And, as said earlier, I could do the same for Vanille and either of Hope or Sazh.

[arcanedude34]

I'm confused as to who on this forum has said that they are more like sisters rather than lesbians. Seems to me, general consensus is (even if only as a kinda affectionate mockery a la cross-dresser Cloud) lesbians.

[Serapy]

Well, as for Lightning and Hope,
Ending SpoilerLightning continues to support Hope, since her mother didn't come back. Hence, a good bond.

Hmmmm, I think Sazh likes Vanille a bit too much. Vanille occasionally appears in Sazh's flashbacks. In his flashbacks, Vanille never really existed. Why? He thinks about her, so she gotta pop up every once in a while. Normal, right?

[Psychotic]

With Fang being a man, I think that everything between him and Vanille would make more sense. Consider:
Vanille touching Fang's boobs

Uhh...

[Loony BoB]

Hmmmm, I think Sazh likes Vanille a bit too much. Vanille occasionally appears in Sazh's flashbacks. In his flashbacks, Vanille never really existed. Why? He thinks about her, so she gotta pop up every once in a while. Normal, right?

I have some long, thin tubes that are in my cutlery drawer in my kitchen. These tubes are used to suck up drink from a cup to a mouth. Would you like to reach for and grab at them?

In all seriousness, you can't be serious.

[arcanedude34]

I have some long, thin tubes that are in my cutlery drawer in my kitchen. These tubes are used to suck up drink from a cup to a mouth. Would you like to reach for and grab at them?

Ahaha, win.

I dunno guys, I think Fang/Hope is pretty probable. I mean, she did like, look at him that once.

[FFIX Choco Boy]

I see it more as a mother/daughter relationship, with lesbians being the next possibility in line. Actually, I suspected Fang to be Vanille's mom for a while until I realized that the middle name of their full names were what tribe they from.

[Ezme]

I see it more as a mother/daughter relationship, with lesbians being the next possibility in line. Actually, I suspected Fang to be Vanille's mom for a while until I realized that the middle name of their full names were what tribe they from.

Thank god for that. I was beginning to think I was weird. Half way though I did think: "I bet it gets revealed that fang is vanilles mother...."

[Loony BoB]

I am of the impression that Fang feels very responsible for Vanille on some level, whilst at the same time Vanille is extremely caring for those people that she gets to know. With this in mind, pretty much all of the different relationships you can think of could be put together. Mother, sister, lover, friend. But for me, without any real solid reasoning, the two of them are just two friends who have built up a bond to the point of feeling like family. And given what history they have together, this is entirely understandable.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Well, as for Lightning and Hope,
Ending SpoilerLightning continues to support Hope, since her mother didn't come back. Hence, a good bond.

Wait, what? Maybe it was an innocent mistake/typo, but Hope is a guy. Also, his (SPOILER)mom is dead, so why would she come back? Same goes if you meant Lightening by "her".

Unless you meant, (SPOILER)Hope's father but the game no longer references him after he is taken away. All we can assume is that he is alive.

I do agree that Lightening becomes like a big sister to Hope throughout the game though.

[Serapy]

Lol, yeah ... I meant to put 'his' instead of 'her', sorry!