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    Quote Originally Posted by Freya View Post
    Well I disagree with your disagreement. I feel most fantasy worlds have a lot of the same things. Hello, dragons for one? How many fantasy stories make dragons a center creature of their stories? Yeah his characters and lore wasn't as thought out but i've read a few books like that, some are even ones people feel are good.
    Well, I disagree with your disagreeing of my disagreement! So there! :P

    There are ZERO dragons in my fav fantasy series The Wayfarer Redemption. And if I remember correctly, there are no dragons in the Valdemar Saga (my other favorite series) nor in the Ingary books (Howl's Moving Castle). There ARE dragons in my other favorite fantasy series Death Gate Cycle and also there are in Earthsea. And every single one of those series has at least one thing not found in any other fantasy series. Eragon has zilch.

    I just hated it from a good/bad writing standpoint. I'm sure it could have been a decent book had it been properly edited, but it wasn't. As it is, it makes a decent popcorn movie in one of those rare cases where the movie is better than the book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bastian View Post
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    Didn't he write it when he was 16? That by itself made it impressive, but otherwise was average.
    *facepalm*
    You seem to be ignoring the point of those comments: they're not saying the book is more impressive, but the kid was fairly impressive for writing it in the first place -- it references the kid's ability, not the book's quality. Obviously the book itself is no more or less worthwhile to read because of it. I even said the book was average.

    Or at least, that's what I meant by the comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bastian View Post
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    Didn't he write it when he was 16? That by itself made it impressive, but otherwise was average.
    *facepalm*
    Bahha that made me laugh so much

    But yeah pretty much what Raistlin said. I understand the book itself isn't that impressive, but to write an entire book like that at 16? That's impressive. At least, it is to me anyway, i'm not as well read in fantasy fiction as you are and certainly not in fantasy fiction written by young people.

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    I read Eragon back when it first came out. I think I was 14 or 15. I loved it. Now when I re-read them, as much as I don't want to admit it, I can totally see how badly written it is. The story is entertaining enough but I liked it more in Star Wars.

    I really lost faith when the movie came out. My god that was a mountain of horsesarsaparilla. Never again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raistlin View Post
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    Didn't he write it when he was 16? That by itself made it impressive, but otherwise was average.
    *facepalm*
    You seem to be ignoring the point of those comments: they're not saying the book is more impressive, but the kid was fairly impressive for writing it in the first place -- it references the kid's ability, not the book's quality. Obviously the book itself is no more or less worthwhile to read because of it. I even said the book was average.

    Or at least, that's what I meant by the comment.
    And what I'm saying that you're ignoring is that it is NOT impressive for a kid to write it in the first place. I know many people who wrote novel-length manuscripts as kids. They were poorly written. And not professionally publishable. I don't see what's so impressive for him to have written a bad book. Had the book been good, then I would concede that it's impressive for a teenager to write a good fantasy book. But he didn't. He did what I and several other people I know did: decided as a teen to write a book, finished it, it was awful. The only difference is that his family self-published it and marketed the hell out of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Imperfectionist View Post
    I understand the book itself isn't that impressive, but to write an entire book like that at 16? That's impressive.
    I just don't get that.
    That's like saying, "Gee, he played that piano concerto really terribly, but, hey, at least he got through the whole thing!" There's nothing impressive about doing anything poorly. Just because it's something that you don't do at all doesn't mean that it's impressive for someone else to do it badly.

    Maybe I'm just not easily impressed. Or maybe it's because I also wrote an awful book as a teen. But if I were to watch a soccer game and they let a 14 year old play with the professional team, and he did an awful job, I wouldn't find it impressive that he played just because he was 14.

    Or some other better analogy.

    At least, it is to me anyway, i'm not as well read in fantasy fiction as you are and certainly not in fantasy fiction written by young people.[/QUOTE]
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    The thing is, it's not as bad as you're making it out to be! IT was targeted for younger audiences and it hit those as well. As a youth book, it was good. As said, looking at it from an adult perspective it's not so good. So to release a decent book for a targeted audience yes it is impressive.

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    That is all fine and great, but he thinks it is crap, it is painful to read, and there you go! Let people to their opinions!

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    Can I not have my own Lynx?! I had my own opinion that differed from his! Let people to their opinions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freya View Post
    Can I not have my own Lynx?! I had my own opinion that differed from his! Let people to their opinions!
    No, my opinion is superior to yours because I'm right!
    I'm kidding.

    So, the second book is better?

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    No.

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    I felt that way yes. The second one his writing started to get better, not the best but better. Third one was much better compared to the first and if that's the way he's going he will make a good author eventually!

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    I actually really enjoyed the first, thought the second was meh, and the third was terrible. I read Eragon a long time ago and Eldest and Brisingr about a year ago. It's a shame because Eragon used to be like, my favorite thing ever. I thought the main problem was the fact that there was too much cliched description and not enough actual, interesting plot points. The setting is also really lifeless and boring imo.

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