The CK competition and the staff

[Loony BoB]

They definitely have different definitions. Synonyms? Eh, that's pretty debatable, really. I'd say no. Because they mean different things. I don't know how much leeway you have to give for two words to be synonyms, though.

[Goldenboko]

But this goes back to what Raistlin said, that if all of you knew that you didn't have a chance of winning, you wouldn't have done this competition. I know you're all having fun, but you all didn't do the competition for the purpose of having fun. You all did it for the sole purpose of expecting to win that title.

If you think I came in this fully expecting to win, you are dreadfully mistaken Hope and expect are very different words, one implies a sense of certainty, the other, not so much.

Really, I can't believe this topic still is being posted in, "Staff already had ideas about people!" You couldn't figure that out? Really?

Dude, I established this long before Raistlin even made this topic.

That wasn't directed at you.

[bipper]

Pupu:

Shlup did say right off the bat that the winner had a 'chance' at becoming CK. Not that they were guaranteed. Right?

So, like, sometimes we feel like we need more mods around here so we make you compete for it and then may not Knight you anyway but that's cool 'cause it's all in good fun amirite? Yes.

Right up front - first lines of when this thing got started. So shlup the duck up.

It was the first freaking line declaring the competition. Seriously. If you are pissed, move into the mortgage business. It wasn't even fine print.

[Old Manus]

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[Loony BoB]

In all honesty, this is getting annoying and also getting nowhere. I am closing this thread with the intention of it not being re-opened. Don't make me move it to Garbage, Raistlin.

[Raistlin]

Daniel, if this is getting “annoying,” then like any other topic you are free not to read it. You’ve posted in this thread while leaving it open for the past day, and the amount of responses, including feedback from regular members, has only increased. I don’t see how you can justify closing it now, so I’m reopening it.

Things Raistlin is unable to grasp:

1) Saying what you think his statements imply is not the same as accusing him of saying those things and is not an attempt to quote him, it's simply saying how the things he did say make you feel about his perspective. In this case, that the contestants aren't smart enough to make their own choices. (eg, "Freya: I’m not going to get into this with you, but you don’t seem to understand really what’s going on or what’s actually been said.")

Saying that you think how I am saying certain things implies something else is all well and good, but when I later qualify stating that I expressly did not mean that, then you argument becomes baseless, and you start your arguments against your imaginary friend, which is what you have done throughout this thread.

And I never said ANYTHING remotely like the contestants aren’t “smart enough to make their own choices,” and with that out-of-nowhere statement you just prove again you have a substantial ass to pull things out of. Your example of my statement to Freya also expressly ignores any sort of context, such as THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE when I say it looks like she hasn’t read the thread (and also ignores the fact that mere ignorance is not by itself a bad thing). It also has nothing to do at all with your previous statement.

2) Not getting an answer that supports his his theories, not getting the answers he wants, is not the same as not getting an answer at all. Accusing a person of just plain not answering doesn't make it true; sometimes you just have to accept the answers you are given.

I also never said that I never received an answer – I said you gave vague and contradictory answers. And I did accept some of the answers I was given: I accepted the uncontradicted validity of Del’s original statement about Breine. Your attempts to justify it have since been confusing, at best. I understand if you never agreed with the staff’s decision regarding Breine in the first place (which is what it sure seems like here), but then don’t try to back it up by selectively ignoring complaints and adding in your own weaker ones.

3) "(which is what Del said and Shlup contradicted)" should read "(which is what Shlup said and Del contradicted)"

I am sorry my statement seemed to imply an arguably false timestamp of statements, but again you’re ignoring the substance of the statement: that you and Del said continually and blatantly contradictory things.

But this goes back to what Raistlin said, that if all of you knew that you didn't have a chance of winning, you wouldn't have done this competition. I know you're all having fun, but you all didn't do the competition for the purpose of having fun.

So far you are the only other regular member here even attempting to view this objectively. I think some of the members are just wary of criticizing the staff at all, especially during the competition.

[Freya]

Wes, why do you have to know what they think about everyone? Answer that please.

[Raistlin]

Freya: I'm seriously amazed you think that's a relevant question, considering I never claimed that. The ONLY things I've claimed are that: 1) if Breine was given a "favor," then all other competitors in a similar situation should be given equal consideration, and 2) that it should be upfront if staff members may have made final decisions on some members before the competition (though I already said I don't think that's very logical or fair -- but people should not be misled).

[PuPu]

You people make me laugh.

Main Entry: ¹hope
Pronunciation: \ˈhōp\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): hoped; hop·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English hopian; akin to Middle High German hoffen to hope
Date: before 12th century
intransitive verb 1 : to cherish a desire with anticipation s for a promotion>
transitive verb 1 : to desire with expectation of obtainment
2 : to expect with confidence
synonyms see expect

Hope - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Either way, it doesn't make a difference as to what I said. You're not doing it for fun, you're doing it to win.

It was the first freaking line declaring the competition. Seriously. If you are pissed, move into the mortgage business. It wasn't even fine print.

Pissed? Not at the competition, that's for sure. I even had fun making that joke thread of "I'm back."

So far you are the only other regular member here even attempting to view this objectively. I think some of the members are just wary of criticizing the staff at all, especially during the competition.

It's clear by some of the posts that certain people have made in this thread that they haven't even read the thread at all. It's quite obvious by their posts that they are thinking "LOL Raistlin whining topic. I'm not going to bother reading the thread, I'm just going to give a generic response in an attempt to be profound."

[Psychotic]

PuPu is doing a better job than Raistlin imho

EDIT: Until he tried sucking up to Raistlin. Jesus christ man, have some self-respect.

[Baloki]

INSULT
RETORT
COUNTER-RETORT
QUESTIONING OF SEXUAL PREFERENCE
SUGGESTION TO SHUT THE smurf UP
NOTATION THAT YOU CREATE A VACUUM
RIPOSTE
ADDON RIPOSTE
COUNTER-RIPOSTE
COUNTER-COUNTER RIPOSTE
>> NONSENSICAL STATEMENT INVOLVING PLANKTON
RESPONSE TO RANDOM STATEMENT AND THREAT TO BAN OPPOSING SIDES
WORDS OF PRAISE FOR FISHFOOD
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND ACCEPTENCE OF TERMS

[demondude]

Psychotic ... you know what to do.

THUNDERDOME!

[Psychotic]

actually my plan is just to start editing posts to become lyrics from Nothin' but a G Thang.

[demondude]

I disagree with that. Let's have a three page debate.

[PuPu]

PuPu is doing a better job than Raistlin imho

EDIT: Until he tried sucking up to Raistlin. Jesus christ man, have some self-respect.

Not quite. The stuff that I'm saying is moreso directed to other people in this topic, than Raistlin.