I sincerely apologize Kahlin, I improperly identified you as the initial responder...
Edited to gray out unwarranted commentary.
Please stop putting words in my mouth. It's dishonest and horribly rude.Originally Posted by Khalin
I never said "immersing yourself in homosexuality."
I said "immerse oneself in something one knows he or she would not enjoy." As far as my post was concerned, that something, in this case, is a "[I]game[/I] with a homosexual character." To me, that is the same as, say, a "game with a female lead." As you pointed out before, having something in it is not the same as being about it. I agreed with you, and admitted my later porn example was poor because that is not what I was trying to suggest. Now you appear to be backtracking on your initial response in order to continue trying to fight with me, because you decided you don't like me...believing me to be a homophobe when I am actually far closer to your side than theirs. I merely don't agree with your hatred toward them. I find hatred despicable no matter who it is directed toward.
Again, you are raging over nothing, taking things out of context and trying create an argument that doesn't exist because you believed me to be a homophobe and therefore felt the need to dispute everything I wrote.Yes, but there's a difference here. Let's be more specific, based on what you said.
1) Choosing not to play a game with a homosexual character in it.
2) Choosing not to play a game because it has a homosexual character in it.
I meant exactly what I said here, very literally:
"Anyway, just as not playing a game with a homosexual character doesn't make you a homophobe, playing a game with a homosexual character doesn't make you not a homophobe. It's basically indicative of nothing in and of itself."
It was a criticism of homophobes who were trying to "prove" that they were not ones because they would play vXIII (or implying that playing vXIII would prove thus, as I felt some people in this thread were doing). I'm arguing that their playing vXIII doesn't make them not homophobes.
You then implied that I was wrong because it was unlikely any homophobe would play vXIII. In my previous post I explained why I think you are wrong:
"(2) I maintain that not everybody who is homophobic identifies themselves as a homophobe, or realizes that they are one. That is, in part the problem here. You seem to be implying that homophobes are monsters who crusade to rid the world of homosexuality. It's not that black and white. Just as racism can manifest in something as little as bringing one's purse up to communion in church when one would not otherwise because a black family is in the same pew, homophobia can be as subtle as scooting away from a guy with pink hair and pierced ears on the subway."
I never said I didn't think Elpizo was a homophobe. I never mentioned him at all in fact.In Elpizo's statement, the mere thought of a character being gay [yet again, even if this were true, there likely wouldn't be any on-screen romance] is enough to turn him away from a potentially good game "-200%" by his own words [later he attempted to soften this by saying "well I'm just 'disinterested'"].
And I NEVER said that not wanting to play a game with a homosexual character was not homophobic. I merely said that:
"I don't think there is anything wrong with choosing to not immerse oneself in something one knows he or she would not enjoy."
If the reason one would not enjoy it is ultimately because they are homophobic, I believe that is a valid reason, just as I think it would be valid to not want to play a game in which you only controlled, say, a female character. I don't think homophobia is logical, and I wish that they wouldn't be homophobic, but I do think that playing something you don't like is silly, even if your reason for not liking it is a poor one. I don't see any reason why a homophobe should be forced to play vXIII if Noctis were gay, not to mention forced to play to prove that they aren't homophobic.
