I don't even understand it. Is the analogy some reference to something?Originally Posted by Goldenboko
Best line of the entire debate imho.
I don't even understand it. Is the analogy some reference to something?Best line of the entire debate imho.
Yes. It's also hilarious.I don't even understand it. Is the analogy some reference to something?Best line of the entire debate imho.
EDIT: It's a Mass Effect reference.
It's a reference to Mass Effect's Krogan Race and the pure awesomeness that is Wrex.I don't even understand it. Is the analogy some reference to something?Best line of the entire debate imho.
All I have to say is, "Bring me something to kill."
streme Wheelie
Recognized Member
The time between me reading the argument and then posting the rebuttal was about 140 minutes, if that helps our cause at all. Also I was slightly intoxicated and it was about 2am. Seems my partying days didn't die with TAP.
Oh. I was only about two hours or so into the game when I played it at Mogi's house before I had to fly back to Texas ;_;Yes. It's also hilarious.I don't even understand it. Is the analogy some reference to something?Best line of the entire debate imho.
EDIT: It's a Mass Effect reference.
I felt bitch slapped.
It doesn't help that my face is sunburnt either.
I'm glad we win so far... I guess.
And here it is! Tavrobel's Final Remarks and announcement of the winner!
501st, please PM me with your decision as to when your president shall debate!Two Rounds have been awarded to the 501st party, with the Zombies taking away the final round. If all rounds were considered equal, one would expect the 501st to be the winners of the debate. But this is not necessarily true. It should be noted, that I, in my infernal majesty and superior critical-analysis skills am high enough to judge who was and who was not thinking out of all of you. It is rather disappointing to see some of the lack of effort in some of the participants in actually answering the question. In such a case, it becomes painfully obvious who should be awarded for doing something that they were already supposed to do, but from what I have been told, honest and sincere appreciation is more valuable than criticism.
However, I have not read How to Win Friends and Influence People, so I will be providing criticism. At this point, I would simply like to say, that your arguments all suck. Frankly, if there were a winner of the Elections based on those debates, it would be me, for actually having had to read through all of that. Seriously guys, were you not thinking or something? Goddamnit, Booth gave you 12-24 hours to think of something to throw at a wall, and half of the time, you all completely missed. We are not operating in four dimensions. The wall does not change based on time. It's there, right in front of you, and you missed it. Jesus smurfing H. Learn how not to suck massive donkey nuts, grab a thesaurus, and just start having sex with it using your eyes before you walk into another debate. I'm even more surprised, that I understood what viewpoint some of you even adopted in your arguments, it was so unclear.
On the plus side, I would like to note, that some of you raised valid points. Alienation of old members in favor of the new members would compromise the sense of tradition here at EoFF, and this is something that I have learned in my time here. Of course, there is also always a time when traditions should be reviewed, and if necessary, turned aside in favor of new, superior traditions. A paradigm shift in thought is not always representative of upheaval in the ranks. It only constitutes a new part in the grand machine of progress. Count your lucky stars that these parts are readily interchangeable as long as there is a guide to do so.
I must say that I am heavily biased for the frontsite. It is not a small suggestion to say that I may not have been entirely impartial in my analysis, but I did what I could. The only road to survival is constant chatter between constituency and leaders. What better way to represent that than to give showcases of such contributions on the frontsite with tangible rewards on the forums?
In a final note, as I close my analysis of the posts, I wish there had been more of them. It seemed like an actual discussion could have been fruitful if moderated closely, and allowed to continue. The problem with having suggestions in downtime, is that sometimes, some people let their indiscretions and their biases get the best of them. I am not immune to such things (but really, you all have got to come up with better ideas than "do x"). I must emphasize that ideas are great, but you need a plan of action as part of your proposed solution. Otherwise, it will summarily be shot down by the Forum Staff, all of whom I believe to be genuinely retarded. Who is crazier, the crazy person, or the person arguing with the nutjob? Who is to say? Even I cannot tell.
I declare the winners of the debates in general to be the 501st Party. I do however, have a few words for the Zombie Party:
Paul, change your name back. The joke is up. If the 501st were going to listen to you because of your name, they would have already done so. Cut the "I'm Jesus" act, and get back to being your party's leader. I didn't die just so that you could smurf everything up. You've got your work cut out for you, but that's probably because I'm not on your side this time. I'm the impartial observer. The last time I got involved, someone (I'm not going to name any names, like MILF's name) decided to be a douche and ruined my steak dinners.
The Zombie Party needs to get its act together. You're relying too much on brute strength and shock value. Even the undead can wield the arcane magics, so why not adopt a little intelligence and spontaneity in your actions? Go big or go home, that's my motto. Quit dyin' and start tryin'!
Zombie Party revolution imo.
I didn't change my name to this in the first place!
but
I think I can come up with a happy compromise.
'Cause the people in my links did.
And people have done it quite a bit in "Eyes on Plays" threads.
And I posted about nearly every step of the "level one Ozma challenge," starting where Jeremy left off, when I did it.
There's already stuff out there. :kaoplain:
Death to the false emperor!I didn't change my name to this in the first place!
but
I think I can come up with a happy compromise.
So, Mandalore has chosen to go second in the up and coming debate! That means Psychotic has 24 hours to come up with an argument on the following topic:
It has been over a year since a very controversial thread has been posted. The overall curve seem to show that EoFF had plateau'd and showed a downward trend in activity.
In the future will the trend...
A. Continue downward
B. Level out
C. Begin to reverse to the upward direction
Obviously by now you should know to explain yourself.
I won't be there.
streme Wheelie
Recognized Member
I think my self confidence took a mighty hit after that final revelation. The only thing we can do now is make sure our President kicks ass
This is long, yes, and I imagine many of you won't bother to read it. But I hope it will prove insightful for those of you who do!
There are three main posting communities I'm going to take a look at. Yes, there are some other mini-communities, and yes, there is some overlap between the three. These are the ones I want to focus on though. I'm going to look at them in three different time periods too.
First I think we have to look at why activity dropped so hard from what it used to be.
Past - Why it went downhill
The Royal Role Players Society
This group was actually incredibly overlooked by everyone, but it may come as a surprise to you all that the RP Forum was actually the second most active forum on EoFF in 2006, behind only General Chat. It clocked up 20,602 posts, more than the FFVII and VIII forums combined!
The top ten posters of that forum at the time were:
I only ever really see Laddy around the forums on a regular basis these days. Where have all these posters gone?! This has been the hugest dip in activity, and the forum is pretty much a ghost town now. Why? I don't know. I wasn't a part of that community. I could speculate that it declined with Behold the Void's decline, but I really couldn't tell you.1. eiko guy - 2356
2. Ace14 - 2164
3. Arc_Master_14 - 1914
4. 4evarisha - 1846
5. The Majestic - 1599
6. TyphoonThaReapa - 1164
7. Hazzard - 1129
8. Albel - 970
9. f f freak - 621
10. Laddy - 395
The Final Fantasy crew
I think you'll be hard-pressed to dispute that Final Fantasy's golden age was between FFVII and FFX, and then this was quickly followed by the immensely successful Kingdom Hearts games. New FFs were released rapidly during that time, and the games were all fantastic and a lot of fun. Life was good!
The thing is, you can't discuss the same old games over and over and over and over. It gets boring. Each year will see a dwindle in our FF forum activity. You need new games to spice it up and draw new members.
And so came the after times.
FFX-2 was a smurfing fantastic game, the problem is that every FF fan hated it because they couldn't look beyond it being Slutty Dress Up Doll Fashion Parade. Let's face it, the whole thing was an attempt by Square to appeal to a new market, which is a damn shame.
FFXI, while still popular among it's core EoFF crew, alienated many FF fans by being an MMORPG. Let me put it this way - it is the only FF game I have never played, nor had any desire to play. The facts say it all - its forum has the lowest post count of all the modern games.
FFXII took way too long to release after X, and was a bit of a grindy mess, with hardly any likeable characters.
Feel free to argue that these are great and wonderful games if you want, (and miss the point entirely while you're at it) but you can hardly claim Vaan and Vayne are anywhere near Cloud and Sephiroth in terms of being universally known gaming icons. In short, Square messed and tinkered with the successful formula they had in the PSX era, and it has not done the series any favours. Final Fantasy was the smurfing king of the PlayStation. Nothing could touch it. But since then the quality dwindled and so did membership.
The General Mob
Hey, that's us! We didn't smurf up, guys, it's cool! Relax!The post counts for all the General forums far, far outweigh those of the FF forums, so to be perfectly blunt, EoFF is a general forum. I'm already awaiting the 501st trying to jump all over this point, but I don't particularly care if I give them an opening, because while what I say may be controversial and an easy target for them to screech about, it's also the truth and I'm not going to pull punches just to appease everyone. I know it says "Eyes on Final Fantasy" at the top, but that's just our theme. It's like if you go to an Irish Pub. Their theme is Irish, our theme is Final Fantasy. It's still a pub, just as this is a still a general forum! FF is just our hook to draw people in and therein lies the problem - FF's stock is dwindling, as I said, and therefore the General forums will feel a knock on effect from that. We'll have less new members to replace the old ones who leave.
Present - Where are we now?
The Royal Role Players Society
Well, the roleplay forum, having died, is still dead. From its glory days, it now actually has posts from 2008 on the front page! Nothing changes there - can't lose posts that aren't there!
The Final Fantasy crew
Final Fantasy is an interesting one. Final Fantasy XIII was released recently, as I'm sure we all know, and unlike with FFXII, the staff tried really hard to promote that game, by having a full gallery of XIII avatars, making XIII forum skins and moving the forum to the top of the index. I feel confident in saying that the XIII launch at EoFF was more successful than the XII one. I think this will lead to a greater amount of activity overall in the FF forums in 2010 compared to 2008 and 2009.
The General Mob
Finally, us general folk. We've already had a lot of high activity events in 2010, like the April Fool's CK contest and indeed, these very elections! There has also been the very successful addition of the Wonder Square forum, which has added 10,000 new posts in its year of life, and has hopefully encouraged more newbies to stay. I can see General activity being slightly higher than in previous years, but not by a great deal.
So to sum that up, I think 2010 might just end up having slightly more posts than 2008/9, if this pace keeps up. As far as Election Booth's question goes, that's "C"! Which is a good sign, but let's not take the good times for granted again.
The Future - Or How We Can Make Things Better!
I think, to be perfectly honest with you, the way we are going right now, activity will dip again after 2010 - The buzz from XIII will have died down, and it looks like it'll be a while yet before we see Versus and KHIII. So that's back to "A", to answer the question. But who am I to criticise without trying to solve the problem? Here are some ideas I've had that we can do to try to fix it and make us "C".
The Royal Role Players Society
I think this is an area EoFF really could do with focusing on. The RP forum is buried away deep inside the Writer's Corner, and as it was obviously such a popular part of the forums, that's clearly not how it should be.
Perhaps we could also get a new roleplaying CK in to replace Void. Maybe the Events Committee could have events encouraging people to take part and have a go. I think we might also need to reach out to Void himself, as he has strong links with the RP community, to get him to encourage his friends to show up here for such events! We should also try to get the members I listed earlier back, as they were a huge part of the RP forum.
The Final Fantasy crew
I think FFXI was greatly underutilised by EoFF. As said before, it does have the lowest amount of posts for any of the games since VI. And yet it's an MMORPG! And the crucial difference between an MMORPG and a single player console RPG is that there's always something new to do, always something to talk about - the discussion should never get boring!
EoFF should work hard to try to promote the game. I think the staff members who play XI (such as Del Murder, Loony BoB and Levian - sorry to try to make you guys do work and all, but hey, I did plenty for XIII so
Another change coming in that I am excited about with regards to Final Fantasy is the integrated front site and forums, with the fancy pants content management system. It'll be very easy to both submit and access FF content for our users. Of course, to coincide with this, there should also be more encouragement to our existing members to submit content and volunteer their help for the frontsite.
The General Mob
I think we do need some fresh blood in the General Mob. There's still new names rising to prominence, such as my presidential rival, Mr. Guardian XIII (how many of you had heard of him 12 months ago? Exactly! The system works!) but I'd like to see a lot more.
So maybe there's a twofold problem - newbies not sticking around, and members from the Final Fantasy forums not making the transition to the General forums. Perhaps in both cases they can feel intimidated by the "everyone knows your name" environment we got going on here. Maybe we could set up a scheme - and not a newbie mentoring scheme, I hasten to add! - where our existing members set out to make a new friend by PMing someone whose user name they don't recognise and striking up a conversation with them. Just to make them feel like a part of the community rather than being an outsider. It's what made me stick around, after all.
Summary: I think activity will be slightly higher in 2010 than in the last two years, but unless we take some steps now to change things, it will slide downwards again.
Thank you for reading. Vote Zombie
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