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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivisteiner
    Beatrix had trust in Brahne. She herself did not know how Eidolons were extracted - she merely trusted that Brahne would not undertake anything that would put her own daughter in danger. Trusting that a mother will treat her daughter with care is a perfectly reasonable thing to do, especially considering Brahne had probably been very nice to Garnet throughout her life.
    Beatrix should've already known that Brahne had drastically changed when she met Kuja and started declaring war like crazy.

    Another point is this. If you're not a scientist, you don't argue with a scientist about matters of science. Beatrix knew little about Eidolons and she knew that Kuja and Brahne knew far more than her. Who was she to question their judgement on the issue when she had no expertise in that area?

    You talk about it as if the fact it would cause harm was common sense. What you fail to realise is that there are a vast number of scenarios where the intuitive answer to a problem is the wrong one. Any intelligent person would know that you cannot make assumptions about what will happen in a given scenario - you need evidence to back up your point. Beatrix had no knowledge on the subject and so she stayed out of it, trusting that Brahne knew what she was doing.
    Oh give me a smurfing break. How is it not common sense when just about all of the characters figured out that Brahne was going to harm Garnet as well? Even Steiner knew that Brahne was going to harm Garnet and became all "I gotta save the Princess!" after Zorn and Thorn told him that they were ordered to capture her. Hell, Steiner had the same stupidly blind loyalty as Beatrix, it's just that he broke out of it much earlier and even told Beatrix to stop following orders.

    Yeah, that's correct. She had faith in Brahne - and faith like that cannot be changed easily.
    Even Garnet knew that Brahne had been changing, and Beatrix knew it as well, but chose to ignore it.

    Her conversion may have seemed overly slow, but in context it was realistic.
    Actually, it's the opposite. Her conversion was sudden and unrealistic, due to her ignoring all the signs which told her that what she was doing was wrong and that Brahne was going to kill Garnet until having to get slapped in the face by the truth.

    Having served a Queen for many years, who you believe to be just, you don't suddenly turn your back on them after one dubious comment.
    There's also the numerous dubious actions of declaring war and trying to seize control of the continent for years(?) after meeting with Kuja and getting a sudden change of attitude to conquer everything.
    Beatrix may have just believed it was a comment borne of anger and frustration with Garnet, rather than it being a genuine threat.
    Brahne's words of killing Garnet weren't even anger. They were moreso "She's useless now, I don't care about her anymore."

    Just because someone says "I'll kill you", it doesn't mean they actually will. In anger, people say a lot of extreme stuff you know they don't really mean.
    Steiner and all the other characters knew.

    As far as Brahne was concerned, Cleyra was no longer a neutral country. It was harbouring the villain who had plotted against her - the King of Burmecia. And she could not allow the King to remain there in safety whilst he plotted his next uprising against her.
    But the Burmecian King didn't do anything at all, regardless of what Brahne said. There was no secret plot and never was any hints of a secret plot, ever.

    So instead she would crush all hints of a rebellion and utterly destroy any remnants of the Kingdom of Burmecia. The protection offered by Cleyra to these terrorists could only be considered as an act of war. It's easy to see how Beatrix could have been convinced that attacking Cleyra was the only viable option.
    Beatrix and her soldiers pretty much already killed nearly everybody in Cleyra as well. Brahne nuking them with Odin was overkill and completely unjustified. It's not Beatrix invading Cleyra that's the problem here, it's the fact that Brahne decided to nuke them even after they already got beat up by Beatrix and her soldiers which was wrong.
    If she had been perfect that would have been her moment to turn against Queen Brahne
    The moment should have been immediately when Brahne said that she was going to kill Garnet.
    but Beatrix's character is far from perfect and her loyalty allowed her to override any doubts over the extremity of force applied.
    And it also allowed Beatrix to ignore the fact that Brahne had drastically changed since meeting with Kuja and started to kill everyone on the continent just for power, when she didn't do so in the past.
    It's like the dropping of two nuclear bombs against Japan. As far as I'm concerned that was totally immoral - yet obviously the military did as it was told.
    The dropping of the a-bombs on Japan are not at all similar to this.

    First of all, it was done to prevent American soldiers from losing their lives because they thought that Japan was a threat. Did Alexandria see Cleyra as a threat? Doubtful, considering that the Alexandrian army easily annihilated both Cleyra and Burmecia with little effort.

    Secondly, this nuking of the a-bomb wasn't carried out by the Alexandrian army, it was done by Brahne herself.

    Thirdly, they invaded Cleyra and killed people, and nuked the survivors. This wasn't a matter of ending a war like the A-bombs of 1945. This was a matter of finishing the job of killing people after already attempting to kill them with an invasion.
    Last edited by PuPu; 04-26-2010 at 03:44 AM.

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