The Orphans (spoilers)

[Loony BoB]

Most of them are orphans in most FF games these days (I think?), that's just standard issue. I'd even go as far as to say that most games (ie, not just FF) feature orphans.

I don't think it's that big of a SeeD reference.

I agree that the reason Orphan is called Orphan is probably because the Maker left.

[Goldenboko]

The question is:
The fact that most of the characters are orphans IS NOT a coincidence.
Also it hints at the Seed reference.

EVERY FINAL FANTASY (almost)
FF1 - Characters have no personality - ORPHAN
FFII - Main heroes have each other for a family - ORPHAN
FFIV - Cecil is adopted by the King - ORPHAN
FFV - Bartz's mother dies while he is young, copy and paste for father a few years later - ORPHAN
FFVI - Terra - OPRHAN
FFVII - Family is dead after Nibilhilm (too lazy to spell correctly) incident - ORPHAN
FFVIII - Y'all are ORPHANS
FFIX - Genome, adopted by Baku, no biological parents - ORPHAN
FFX - Mommy dies and daddy never loved you - ORPHAN
FFXII - Recks was your brother and your only family, killed in first 5 minutes of game. Guess. ORPHAN

[Loony BoB]

My character in FFXI was an orphan because I said so.

[Future Esthar]

But in FFXIII most of them are orphans.
Not every person on Cocoon is an orphan.
Coincidences don´t exist.

[Goldenboko]

But in FFXIII most of them are orphans.

Depends on your definition of Orphan or more specifically whether or not there is an age limit, in FFXII Vaan and Penelo where both Orphans, Balthiar became an Orphan after he (SPOILER)killed his father, Ashe became an Orphan when her father was murdered, Basch could be considered an Orphan as he abandoned his family to serve Dalmasca, and Fran could be considered an Orphan abandoned by The Wood. Boom, every freaking main character.

Not every person on Cocoon is an orphan.
Coincidences don´t exist.

I agree, but Cliches do exist. Main heroes and heroines being orphans or orphaned is an overused plot device to free the heroes from responsibilities and is the reason Square uses it all the time.

[Future Esthar]

FFI-Not orphans
FFII-Not orphans????
FFIII-Orphans
FFIV-Not Orphans
FFVI-Not Orphans
FFVII-Not Orphans
FFVIII-Orphans
FFIX-Not Orphans
FFX-Not Orphans
FFXII-Orphans
FFXIII-Orphans

4 FF in which MOST OF the characters are orphans.

[Goldenboko]

Um wrong? FFII = Orphans. Every main character that fights in the final battle. That makes it at least 5 out of 13, which is a solid 38%. (More than a freaking third of these games).

Also, FFVII, Clouds and Tifa's parents where killed, RedXIII's entire sideplot was about his dead father. Marlene was orphaned because her father had too much "blood on his hands" or whatever that Dyne sideplot was about. Hell, Sephiroth was even Orphaned from his parents.

smurf, FFIX Vivi has no parents whatsoever (unless you count Kuja lulz) and I can't help but feel Quina reproduces asexually.

There is no way you could deny that a freaking LOT of Orphans have been used in this series.

[Future Esthar]

Right.FFII

FFVII doesn´t have enough orphans.

[Goldenboko]

So now Future Esthar is the authority on all things FF, so he gets to say that the four most important characters (Cloud, Aerith, Tifa, and Sephiroth) being orphans, "Isn't enough". Right. I'll keep that in mind next time I plan on bringing a logical debate into a thread created by him.

[Future Esthar]

about 50%.Fine.Still little.
This thread is useless now.
But I will be back to this subject when I aproach the bigger subject.

[Goldenboko]

50% is not little. 50% is half. 50% cannot be smaller than it's other half. Something happening 50% of the time means it is common.

[arcanedude34]

Coincidences don´t exist.

Yes. Yes they do. You, my good sir, fail. *smack smack smack*

[No.78]

It's called a 'theme' or a 'motif'.

It has no marvellous significance to FFXIII.

[Future Esthar]

Alright,let me state the purpose of this thread.
On another thread I stated Cocoon is Pulse on the future.
For back up look the other thread.

(SPOILER)Orphan is therefore Light+Serah+Snow+Fang+Vanille+Hope+Sazh+Cid after they became Cie´th.
The theme of this game is free will.If they succumb to despair they will fuse and become Orphan.
Hence the name Orphan.They are orphans and could become Orphan.
Isn´t it strange that this "Fal´Cie " has a focus?
No.Barthandelus always wanted you to become Orphan and rule over the world.
But since Orphan was arrested on Cocoon´s shell (by means untold) and the characters didn´t fell into dispair he used them to release Orphan and wished that the latter defeated them.
Cocoon represents the dark future timeline.
This is exactly what happens on FFVIII.
Adel is an amalgamation of the main characters+Edea+Seifer.
Why are these characters chosen and not others?
I don´t know but Versus will probably explain that.

[Goldenboko]

Final BossThen what by God do you think the Final Boss is? You realize that you kill Orphan. The Ending Boss is specifically called Orphan IN. BATTLE.