FFXIII "time compression" theory(Spoiler) - GENERAL FFVIII RELATED THEORY THREAD

[Skyblade]

(SPOILER)You realize some entries on the datalog keep changing don´t you?
No one other than Bart,Cid(based on Bart) and the evil Pulse Fal´cie tells you about the Maker.

Goldenboko,it makes sense to me that he is a scientist.This is occams razor.
This is the only possibility other than being a god.
FF´s are about magic indeed but sometimes they get science.

Occam's Razor: The simplest solution is usually the correct one.

The simplist solution:
Things happen the way the game tells us they happen.

See that? Your solution needs four threads. Mine needs one sentence. Therefore, according to Occam's Razor, mine is much simpler, so mine is much more likely to be correct.

Occam's Razor has being one of the biggest tools used to tear your theories apart, FE. Don't try to use it, it is never on your side.

[Future Esthar]

The game didn´t tells us (SPOILER) that killing Orphan brings the Maker.The Datalog keeps changing meaning the game can give partial information.For example it told us that Disley obeys Eden and later it was found that he commands Eden.The Datalog changed accordingly.Barthandelus lied on this subject and could lie on the Maker subject.The Datalog is not necessarily definitive when the game ends

And Skyblade you didn´t finish the game so you can´t argue with me now.

[Goldenboko]

The game didn´t tells us (SPOILER) that killing Orphan brings the Maker.The Datalog keeps changing meaning the game can give partial information.For example it told us that Disley obeys Eden and later it was found that he commands Eden.The Datalog changed accordingly.Barthandelus lied on this subject and could lie on the Maker subject.The Datalog is not necessarily definitive when the game ends

And Skyblade you didn´t finish the game so you can´t argue with me now.

There was a specific data log on the reasoning behind it. Maker DatalogThe Datalog says "When our earthly vessels meet their end, the souls they housed must leave this world. Would the path of their migration not be the same one taken by our departed gods? Must they not pass through the same doorway the Divine employed to reach that place that lies beyond?

If this is the case, it stands to reason that, should a great many lives at once be cut short, a flood of souls would surge through the aforementioned portal. The Door would be thrown wide, and perhaps we might even glimpse the gleaming light of Divinity beyond.

-On the Nature of Fal’Cie"

The game log is definitive. Final Scene SpoilerKilling Orphan DID destroy Cocoon. Did you not pay attention to the final image of Cocoon? It was clearly, thoroughly wrecked, the only thing that saved its inhabitants was Fang and Vanille turning into Ragnarok and catching Cocoon. Had they not done that, they would've crashed into Pulse and died, such a large amount of deaths would've thrown the door to the "Divinity beyond" open, thus giving the Fal'Cie an attempt to at least see the Maker.

[No.78]

Care to explain your theory?

[Future Esthar]

(SPOILER)
The anaclets aren´t totally true because Fal´Cie is corrupt.

The game log isn´t definitive.
"Barthandalus" dies but not his bird which is his true form.
I am sure he managed to manipulate the Sanctum to evacuate citizens to Pulse before he creates the illusion that it is being destroyed.
An holographic ceiling exists over Pulse which creates this illusion.

Care to explain your theory?

It´s explained on the "Orphans" thread.
Will bring it here on a nutshell.

[Goldenboko]

I can't debate with you because all of your arguments are just plain made up. Your theories are based on other theories, which are never supported in-game.

[Future Esthar]

The explanation is here No.78:

Alright,let me state the purpose of this thread.
On another thread I stated Cocoon is Pulse on the future.
For back up look the other thread.

(SPOILER) Orphan is therefore Light+Serah+Snow+Fang+Vanille+Hope+Sazh+ Cid after they became Cie´th.
The theme of this game is free will.If they succumb to despair they will fuse and become Orphan.
Hence the name Orphan.They are orphans and could become Orphan.
Isn´t it strange that this "Fal´Cie " has a focus?
No.Barthandelus always wanted you to become Orphan and rule over the world.
But since Orphan was arrested on Cocoon´s shell (by means untold) and the characters didn´t fell into dispair he used them to release Orphan and wished that the latter defeated them.
Cocoon represents the dark future timeline.
This is exactly what happens on FFVIII.
Adel is an amalgamation of the main characters+Edea+Seifer.
Why are these characters chosen and not others?
I don´t know but Versus will probably explain that.

GoldenBoko,I can show that there is an holographic ceiling there.

[No.78]

Interesting but I highly doubt it.

[Future Esthar]

(SPOILER)The game says Cocoon was made with fragment´s of Pulse technology.
That is false information from Cocoon Fal´Cie.
The "fragments" we see on Cocoon were always there.
Anima and the Vestige were always there for example.

[crazybayman]

IT HAS TO BE TRUE. CAUSE SNOW IS REALLY ZELL CAUSE HE HAS BLONDE HAIR AND PUNCHES. AND JUNCTIONS SHIVA. AND RAINES IS REALLY ROBIN WILLIAMS, CAUSE RAINES' FIRST NAME IS CID, AND SO IS KRAMER'S, AND CID KRAMER IS ROBIN WILLIAMS.

MORE TO FOLLOW.

[Cloudane]

Um... wow.

So clearly Serah = Orphan (S=O) because {insert crackpot theory here}

Makes you realise why things like the bible have so many crazy interpretations...

[Future Esthar]

(SPOILER)The idea of a ceiling holographic wall is not farfetched.
The roof of Palamecia´s bridge for instance is seen on the game to be holographic.
You even see Disley using magic to make it transparent.It´s clearly seen the hexagonal cells of the roof.

[Goldenboko]

There's a difference between "this game is a fantasy it's possible" and "this is supported ingame."

[Future Esthar]

Explain it better please.It was there so it is supported ingame.

[Loony BoB]

I can only disagree with your theory as it goes against the very detail of the game. The game would be rendered pointless and pathetic if the entire story given to us was inaccurate. Also, while the analects can be pointed to as "written word of man" and therefore fallable, the DataLogs of the game itself are accurate throughout - particularly the DataLogs to do with enemy intel, which define Orphan as a fal'Cie.