Why can't Square make more games like FFIX?

[seiferalmasy2]

Final Fantasy games are all unique, so condemning the series because the more recent ones don't grab you seems rather silly.

I think that is the point that is being made, they are unique as in dumbed down, less playability, more out of control graphics than substance, over commercialisation. In short, X-2, XII and XIII have caused more debate and division than anything that preceded them and for good reason.

To suggest that these games are getting panned for nothing and that being unique is some sort of valid excuse is more silly. Reminds me of other failed retorts, the very best of course is:

"If you don't like it, then don't play it anymore."

[Rad Bromance]

FF series started with a medieval atmosphere...

Uh, no...no it didn't. Swords and Armor don't automatically equal medieval, and ninjas/blackbelts sure as hell wouldn't be running around if it was a medieval setting.

It had influence from medieval lore, certainly, as have nearly all the FF games since. FF games however, started having "futuristic" elements as early as IV, but no one started complaining until VII, because VII is evil and oh so cool to hate now and ruined everything in the eyes of those blinded by nostalgia.

tl;dr, etc.

[Skyblade]

Noooo, FFVII is still cool. It's the FFVII COMPENDIUM that sucks.

As I've said in other forums, Square seems to have lost the whimsical side of themselves, and with it goes great games like IX.

[Rase]

The Ogre Battle games had quite a loyal following.

Mother also has a loyal following, doesn't mean HAL/Nintendo are gonna keep making them. Three games in twenty years doesn't really scream "support" to me. I'm sure there's a nice following for Crystalis also, but I don't see SNK working on another game for it.

As for Dragon Quest I've never played it nor have I ever felt interested in it.

Aw. In all honesty you should give VIII a try if you can find it, or the DS remakes. Classic JRPG awesomeness with nice personality and fun gameplay.

I certainly believe ending certain series was motivated by competitive fears. The last poster is of course free to believe whatever he chooses.

Thanks, I tend to. Helps when my belief's don't sound like conspiracy theories.

Square seems to be farming out certain gaming...they own the rights to Nier it seems although the graphics for Nier are poor and the game seems dated in certain respects.I wonder why they bothered to allow a subcontractor, it seems, to make a game with their name attached to it that may not do well when they could have done another Ogre battle, mana or chrono game and gotten much better sales than they will ever receive from Nier.

Probably because publishing a game is cheaper than making one. Also, with that logic why should Square try anything new? It may not sell well, they should just stick with three or four series and hope they don't screw them up (oh wait, already did that with Mana). Also, Nier opened at the highest place for it's week in Japan. Just saying.

Some questionable decision making being done by Square.

What else is new? Hasn't this been the mantra of fans since FFXI was announced to be an MMO?

Final Fantasy games are all unique, so condemning the series because the more recent ones don't grab you seems rather silly.

I think that is the point that is being made, they are unique as in dumbed down, less playability, more out of control graphics than substance, over commercialisation. In short, X-2, XII and XIII have caused more debate and division than anything that preceded them and for good reason.

That was more directed at those who seem to think the series is doomed forever just because the last few games have not appealed to them personally.

Square is always messing with the playability and often looks to be dumbing things down. The Materia system is just a step back from the Esper system to me, which is a step back from the Job system of FFV. Square has been nuts on trying to push graphics since the series really got going (FFVI blew me away because I didn't think some things could be done on the SNES when I first played it).

I think it's good for debate and division to happen within a series. To me it shows the developers trying things that they may not have before for some reason, and taking some risks to see how the fanbase reacts. Plenty of people bitched about XII's non-linearity and combat system, so they revised these aspects heavily for XIII. Now people are bitching again, which I hope will help them in striking a balance. Maybe I'm just optimistic, with a hint of "who cares".

To suggest that these games are getting panned for nothing and that being unique is some sort of valid excuse is more silly.

Sure am glad I didn't suggest that than. If you inferred it, your deal.

Reminds me of other failed retorts, the very best of course is:

"If you don't like it, then don't play it anymore."

Always stands true.

[ReloadPsi]

Noooo, FFVII is still cool. It's the FFVII COMPENDIUM that sucks.

Although I can no longer bring myself to play FFVII because of it. I just don't love it any more

[ANGRYWOLF]

loyal fans buy games.

It's up to the company to make more games.If they don't it's their fault.
shrugs..Believe in conspiracies or don't believe in them.I don't believe in all of them.But conspiracies as you call them..I don't consider deciding behind closed doors to discontinue making a certain line of games a conspiracy..you might call it that..It can be either a good business decision or a bad one.Deciding to discontinue the Ogre Battle series was in my opinion a bad business decision.

As far as Nier goes if you watch the videos of the game you can see it won't sell here in the US. The graphics might be the worse I have seen for a PS3 game.
Thee reviews I have seen aren't good.
and Square's name is attached to it.

Square did screw up with mana and there are indications they have screwed up FF after the last two duds..FFXII and FFXIII they have produced.
Doesn't mean they can't fix it.Verses might be the fix the series needs but the jury is still out on that.We don't know yet.

The FF fans are fans.Might as well tell someone to cut off their right arm as to tell them to quit playing because they've had to tolerate a couple of poorly made FF games.
Telling a fan to quit playing is a cop out anyway.

There aren't that many massive console rpgs out there other than Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2.If you don't play MMOs where are you going to get your rpg "fix" these days ?
shrugs.

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