Snow Estheim?

[Future Esthar]

(SPOILER)Nora says "mums are though" twice.
The first time it makes sense since she was trying to protect Hope.

But on the second time it´s out of context.
What is the logic of saying that after saving Snow?
In this case she was not doing anything specifically to protect Hope.
She had the strenght to do that not because of motherwood.
She was protecting the faccion leader.
Unless...
She smiles before she falls by the way.

[Sephiroth]

Hope is not with her during that moment but she is still a mother.

That doesn't mean she is Snow's mother.

[Future Esthar]

Yes but it´s out of context.
She is basically saying:
"Hey Snow,I couldn´t let you die because my mother´s heart would not enable that.That is what gave me strength"

This only mades sense if he is Hope´s big bro.

She also told him to protect Hope and smiles before falling.

Hope stinctively knows this and that´s also what makes him whine even if he isn´t conscious of this.Not just his mother´s death.

[Sephiroth]

I know all these scenes and the only thing I can see here is you are a fan of theories like many threads tell me. You shouldn't think too much about things like that because they were not relevant enough for Square. Final Fantasy is no science or something like that. You want things to have more meaning than they really have.

EDIT: Oh, please. You cannot correct my sentences. Of all people here I am the one who really knows all the lines of every Final Fantasy and I even know them in three different languages. Plus you say you can show me a more convincing proof, but it is not a proof it is an argument which is completely nothingness. So please don't try to correct me just because you have theories because I am the one who really tells everyone only Square can know the truth about Final Fantasy and so I mark all their words and this line you want to have this special meaning simply does not exist with this meaning. That's like "Rinoa is controlled by Ultimecia - oh, hey - let's start the theory Rinoa is Ultimecia!".

[Jings]

I dunno about all this, I just know I cringed uncontrollably at that line.

[Persephone Stephanie]

Yes but it´s out of context.
She is basically saying:
"Hey Snow,I couldn´t let you die because my mother´s heart would not enable that.That is what gave me strength"

This only mades sense if he is Hope´s big bro.

She also told him to protect Hope and smiles before falling.

Hope stinctively knows this and that´s also what makes him whine even if he isn´t conscious of this.Not just his mother´s death.

No, she is not basically saying that. She is reaffirming her previous comment that mothers are tough. She's proving her point to Snow, who if you didn't get it doubted her ability to fight. That's the context. It's not secret code for "hey, you're my secret lovechild!".

[theundeadhero]

It's not out of context at all. She's a mom. What she had just done was pretty tough. She was restating that moms are tough.

[Brennan]

If Snow was Nora's son, I think that they would of put more emphasis on it.

[Cloudane]

No, she is not basically saying that. She is reaffirming her previous comment that mothers are tough. She's proving her point to Snow, who if you didn't get it doubted her ability to fight. That's the context. It's not secret code for "hey, you're my secret lovechild!".

This.

There are some crazy theories around FF, but at least some of them have a basis for reasoning that way

A Snow Estheim would be more likely as Hope's son (if for some reason he idolised him) or gay marriage (if for some reason he idolised him even more..)

[Future Esthar]

Well,I can´t do best than this,I admit.

You want things to have more meaning than they really have.

Correction:...than that which Square shows.

Let me show you a more convincing proof that Snow is Nora´s son.

Snow lost his parents as a child but remembers his mothers name vaguely.
He may not be conscious of it but he named his team after his mother(even before he met her on the hanging edge).
Nora is not a very common name.
This isn´t just a narrative style.Narrative styles must have a rational explanation.

[theundeadhero]

That's entirely less convincing and it was obvious you would throw it out there from other posts you made. You're becoming predictable.

[Future Esthar]

Explain that.
It´s a VERY BIG COINCIDENCE don´t you think?
It´s not even a coincidence concerning graphic details but something fixed and objective as a WORD.

That coincidence can not be explained away.

It may not show he is Nora´s sun but I am 100 % confident that the naming of the team is related with her somehow.

Using literal speeches is a very poor excuse in my view.

[Loony BoB]

She says Mum's are tough because she's referring to what she said earlier. He was asking if she was sure - showing doubt about her - and then she told him "Mum's are tough." She didn't point to Hope and say "THAT IS MY CHILD" or anything. She was referring to the fact that she is a mother, and mothers are, well, tough due to experience. They have to deal with a lot and they do it.

Later on, he again showed doubt (sort of) by telling her to stay put. She didn't, and as if he was wondering why she would put her life on the line to stop the machine about to kill him, she pointed out (referring to herself again) that mums are tough, so that's why she did it. As for "but why would she protect Snow?" - she was protecting herself, her son, Snow, everyone. There was one way to destroy that thing and that was using the rocket launcher. If Snow died, they knew they'd all be next, so she put her life on the line to destroy the machine and, thus, save Snow - and Hope.

Also, he didn't name the team after Nora, he named the team something which happened to have the acronym of N.O.R.A.

[NeoCracker]

You know, completely ignoring whether or not the theory itself is true, since neither hope nor Snow learn anything about this by end game, how does this in any way effect anything at all at any point in the game?

[Future Esthar]

It is named after Nora.Coincidences like this just don´t happen in games as literary speeches.

You know, completely ignoring whether or not the theory itself is true, since neither hope nor Snow learn anything about this by end game, how does this in any way effect anything at all at any point in the game?

I didn´t asked that myself but recently I come up with something that make that be important.

I will left you with a little hint.

Yun->Disley Farron

Dia->Estheim.