Grandmothers hypothesis(spoilers)

[Future Esthar]

We know that:

1-Fang and Vanille were on crystal form which means they are very old but they appearance didn´t change.
2-Many humans from Pulse went to Cocoon after it was created.

It is therefore possible that Fang and Vanille´s husbands decided to depart against their will and even get divorced.Alongside with their child.

Vanille was not much young when she turned to crystal either.
Her age probably was enough to marry on Gran Pulse and have children.

They may not remember that either.


Judging from the character interactions and personalities I would say
that Fang is Claire and Serah´s grandmother.And Vanille is Nora´s mother.

Whether they are grandmother or grandgrand mother depend on many factors.

[Flying Arrow]

I think you've hit the nail on the head with this one.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

You realize that Ragnarök's last attack was centuries ago, right? Also, the creation Cocoon was before Vanille or Fang were born, at least that's the impression given. Also, there'd been no way for anyone to get from Pulse to Cocoon after it was created, more over after Ragnarok's attack.

[Ragebrain The Enraged]

That's too lost odyssey dude.

[G13]

You realize that Ragnarök's last attack was centuries ago, right? Also, the creation Cocoon was before Vanille or Fang were born, at least that's the impression given. Also, there'd been no way for anyone to get from Pulse to Cocoon after it was created, more over after Ragnarok's attack.

This. Vanille and Fang could not have been born when Cocoon was created so therefore their "husbands" could not have gone to live on/in it.

Also, when does it say that Fang was married? I'm only on Chapter 11 but I'm pretty sure it would have been mentioned by then. And if Vanille weren't married it's probably safe to say she didn't have a kid, so she couldn't be Nora's mother, not to mention that would to mean Nora was like 300 years old.

[Rozaheku]

Why exactly would you include Hope's mom is this theory?

[doeboyfresh14]

where did this theory come from period. Vanille is like 19 and fang is like early-mid 20's i doubt either of them were married or had kids. Plus nora is blond while vanille has red hair. my head is spinning from this one.

not too mention they are the same age as when they were turned to crystal. You don't age at that point because your body ceases to live. It's like in austin powers when they freeze him and bring him back. he's the same age as he was in the 60's. He didn't turn 30 years older after they unfroze him. (sorry best example i could think of...)

[Future Esthar]

The point of this thread is that they were descendents of Fang and Vanille.As I said:

Whether they are grandmother or grandgrand mother depend on many factors.

This. Vanille and Fang could not have been born when Cocoon was created so therefore their "husbands" could not have gone to live on/in it.

I think it´s possible to depart after it was made.
It´s not like everyone on Pulse suddenly hates Cocoon without exception.

Also, when does it say that Fang was married? I'm only on Chapter 11 but I'm pretty sure it would have been mentioned by then.

They didn´t remember everything.Even if they do I am certain they would not like to talk about it.

Also, there'd been no way for anyone to get from Pulse to Cocoon after it was created, more over after Ragnarok's attack.

Some eidolons and animals can fly.Cocoon is not a planet on outer space but an artificial world on the atmosphere of Pulse.
I am sure the sanctum Fal´Cie has a monitoring system that watches over the shell and decides if someone is a friend and foe letting them pass on the former´s condition.They are not dumb like the citizens.
It didn´t change after Ragnarok.

not too mention they are the same age as when they were turned to crystal.

You misunderstand.They had the kids BEFORE crystalizing.

Why exactly would you include Hope's mom is this theory?

Because all the characters belongs to either Fang or Vanille´s family.

Sara and Claire descends from Fang.

Hope and Snow descends from Vanille.

I will show you soon that Sazh is a Farron.

This is important to the storyline because there is a criterium which the Fal´Cie uses to select the ones to become l´Cie.

And what better than to pickup persons who belong to the same family as the ones fated to become Ragnarok and destroy Cocoon?

[G13]

I think it´s possible to depart after it was made.
It´s not like everyone on Pulse suddenly hates Cocoon without exception.

I see you still haven't offered any real proof as to how you came up with this. If it were possible to go to Cocoon after it was created it would have been explained. Even if they could get to Cocoon they most likely would have been killed before they could get in. In the opening scenes of the game we see an entire city of people being carted off to their deaths because they lived next to a fal'Cie, so I'm assuming that if someone from Pulse was like "Hey can I come in?" they're more likely get a bullet to the brain than a hug and a place to stay. Why on earth would they willingly let a potential enemy into their world? And please don't say "Their smart enough to realize friend from foe" again. To use a real life scenario, look at how most Americans didn't trust Muslims after 9/11 or, vice versa, at how many middle easterners don't like the U.S. even though they've probably never met an American.

They didn´t remember everything.Even if they do I am certain they would not like to talk about it.

Vanille remembered. If Fang had a husband it would have been mentioned when the whole truth came out. Assuming that's it's a sore subject is incredibly strange considering that a husband was never mentioned. As far as I've seen the only time Fang shows any inclination towards a sore subject is when she was talking about Vanille.

Some eidolons and animals can fly.Cocoon is not a planet on outer space but an artificial world on the atmosphere of Pulse.
I am sure the sanctum Fal´Cie has a monitoring system that watches over the shell and decides if someone is a friend and foe letting them pass on the former´s condition.They are not dumb like the citizens.
It didn´t change after Ragnarok.

I think you're forgetting that the Sanctum 'ok'ed the Purge, y'know the murdering of thousands of people just because they lived next to a fal'Cie because any one of them could have been a l'Cie. Letting in a Pulse citizen who could potentially be a l'Cie with a Focus to destroy Cocoon wouldn't make much sense.

[ANGRYWOLF]

rotfl..
Gee how may threads can someone start with one hypothesis..reads guess..after another...

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[Future Esthar]

No,I am not trying to link these games.

(SPOILER)

I think you're forgetting that the Sanctum 'ok'ed the Purge, y'know the murdering of thousands of people just because they lived next to a fal'Cie because any one of them could have been a l'Cie. Letting in a Pulse citizen who could potentially be a l'Cie with a Focus to destroy Cocoon wouldn't make much sense.

I am talking about Fal´Cie, not humans.
Humans are afraid of Pulse beings and think they are corrupt.
But Fal´Cie know they aren´t corrupt but are only enemies.
But Cocoon´s citizens came from Pulse in the first place.
So what would prevent a Fal´Cie to enslave a human that try to enter from the outside?
Specially ones that want to live there.
I don´t get it.

Vanille remembered. If Fang had a husband it would have been mentioned when the whole truth came out. Assuming that's it's a sore subject is incredibly strange considering that a husband was never mentioned. As far as I've seen the only time Fang shows any inclination towards a sore subject is when she was talking about Vanille.

It is not everyday one likes to talk about a husband who did something you didn´t like.Specially one that abandoned you.

[theundeadhero]

You were told to keep all your theories to one thread. If I see any more I will close them.

[G13]

I think you're forgetting that the Sanctum 'ok'ed the Purge, y'know the murdering of thousands of people just because they lived next to a fal'Cie because any one of them could have been a l'Cie. Letting in a Pulse citizen who could potentially be a l'Cie with a Focus to destroy Cocoon wouldn't make much sense.

I am talking about Fal´Cie, not humans.
Humans are afraid of Pulse beings and think they are corrupt.
But Fal´Cie know they aren´t corrupt but are only enemies.
But Cocoon´s citizens came from Pulse in the first place.

I was mostly referring to fal'Cie as well. The fal'Cie had to have been the ones who started the fear of Pulse, and if they didn't they sure as didn't do anything to put those fears to rest. Why would they let the hatred of Pulse go on only to admit a Pulse citizen should they come a knocking?

So what would prevent a Fal´Cie to enslave a human that try to enter from the outside?
Specially ones that want to live there.
I don´t get it.

Why would a Pulsian(?) want to live on Cocoon, the thing they were taught to hate since birth? I don't get it either.

Vanille remembered. If Fang had a husband it would have been mentioned when the whole truth came out. Assuming that's it's a sore subject is incredibly strange considering that a husband was never mentioned. As far as I've seen the only time Fang shows any inclination towards a sore subject is when she was talking about Vanille.

It is not everyday one likes to talk about a husband who did something you didn´t like.Specially one that abandoned you.

a husband was never mentioned.

[Loony BoB]

This theory has as much reasoning behind it as suggesting that Vanille is actually Snow's mother with a sex change. While some theories of yours might have some vague reasoning behind them, this one is right out there, I have to say.

FE, I suggest you read the short story translations which give you a much better insight to how the characters think and also a slight insight as to how they grew up together from a young age. They were children together so Fang can not be Vanille's mother.

[Cloudane]

Oh god make him stop

It's one retarded theory after another, it's getting out of hand.


Hey guys I got a theory, this person is actually Kefka communicating to us via a parallel universe where he's real and it's part of his evil plan to drive us all to insanity. Hee hee hee!