Could you explain yourself better? Like using synonyms.His loins were frothing. FROTHING!
Could you explain yourself better? Like using synonyms.His loins were frothing. FROTHING!
Flo:Honey,the clock is late.Go out fix it.
Mayor Dobe:What hours is it?
Flo: 15:30
Mayor Dobe:Hey do you wanna to send the Estharians to Centra or what?
Flo:Ok,let it be on 3:45
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Rinoa represents both of her white wings and black wings on her back at certain times. So, doesn't Seifer strike you as being the light version, just like the white wings? And Squall being the black version, just like the black wings? I'm basing this on thier appearances.
I think Seifer and Squall are the same person. Maybe Squall is the real one and that Seifer is his subconscious. Squall tries to overcome his emotional issues by beating Seifer in his own mind. As you may be aware, Seifer as a subconscious is so powerful that he can even interact with the others straight from Squall's mind. Like a virus. It's also like Ultimecia reading Squall's mind and then pulling Griever out of himself.
This is fantastic. I mean, an amazing game like Final Fantasy VIII couldn't get any more fantastical.
Yeah and NORG is a giant booger from Cid's nose. He placed on all his evil subconscious into it and it took form into a giant booger.
A subconscious can't interact with real people!!! This game isn't a dream!
2) Seifer and Squall both use swords. They both have facial scars. This proves that thier genes were designed in the same way by their parents.
Scars aren't genetic. If you watched the beginning, you'd know that they scarred each other while training.
4) Seifer and Rinoa were in a relationship. This proves that Squall and Seifer have the same taste for women.
Taste in women also is not genetic. Everybody in my family has different taste in boyfriends and girlfriends, and I have very similar taste as most of my friends. That has nothing to do with genetics.
5) Seifer had a childhood dream, who says Squall didn't? Squall was shy and insecure, so of course he won't express himself fully...
I don't even understand your point here.
6) Squall and Seifer both have similar facials; thier mouths, eyes, jaws, and eyebrows. Except thier hairs... but I believe that Seifer dyed his hair blonde (yes, even in his youthhood!)
Another theory with no reasoning behind it. And they look similar because they're not real. It's a lot harder to design people and have them look different when they're not real.
7) There may be some preposterous claims made by Kiros/Ward that Squall looks like Laguna. But if he mentioned Seifer, it wouldn't make sense, right? Why would a friend mention an enemy's name when it's relevant? We beaten Seifer.. and go like "You and Seifer just look like Laguna..." Anyways, if there's no hardcore evidence within the game that Squall is actually Laguna's son, then the same goes for Seifer. The concept of Squall being Laguna's son was born from a hint. Keyword: hint!
There are hints that Squall is Laguna's son, but no hints that Seifer is. If Seifer really was Laguna's son, they would have hints in there to make you believe so. Without hints, anything could be assumed. Even something crazy like Rinoa and Quistis got it on but Rinoa doesn't remember because she was drunk and Quistis forgot because of the GF. Why don't you just write fan fiction instead of posting your ideas here? I'm sure they would be very interesting. On that note, this isn't entertaining enough to keep saying why this isn't a good enough argument so I'll just leave it at that.
It gives people something to talk about it regardless if it has any point other than killing time. Just because people like debating things doesn't make it ambiguous. It just means they misunderstood what they saw or heard. Not everything is a gray area.
Nope. Let me rephrase, if VIII wasn't ambiguous, then more people would understand VIII more clear, since they always look forward to answers straight away. But they couldn't, because there are important things in VIII that are subtle or lacking more information. E.g. Ultimecia lacks her backstory and she's one of the most important characters in VIII.It gives people something to talk about it regardless if it has any point other than killing time. Just because people like debating things doesn't make it ambiguous. It just means they misunderstood what they saw or heard. Not everything is a gray area.
And if you have ever played VIII before, you would know that it's more demanding than other FF games in terms of things like this one.
So, all of that doesn't mean us players misunderstand the game...
That's my point. If two minds know the coords of something very well (e.g. where to attack), then they are likely to be identical somehow. Genes in same families are more identical than different familes. Therefore...
A brother usually copys his own brother's actions in some way. Having a dream and all...
It's reasonable, actually. When a designer draws multiple characters, and if two of his characters happen to be more identical to each other than the others, then that designer must have had thought of the same thing at the time. It's also reasonable if it happens to be a coincidence.
Subtle hints.
And since VIII is subtle, not clear, ambiguous, then it would be stupid of SE to throw words or explict hints into your mouth saying "Laguna is definitely Seifer's father". That would be an extra inconsistency, my friend.
Graphics are not hints? What are you talking about?
Um, unlikely. Rinoa never looked drunk in the game.
This isn't fan fiction material. I've brought points that actually came from the game and I just happened to connect these dots altogether in order to say that they are brothers. To write a fan fiction, you have to make up something completely... without connecting such dots...
Then learn how to add me on your ignore list. Very simple to do!
No sorry, Kevin Bacon wasn't in Footloose.
Serapy not to be too blunt for your sensitivities. Yet...
The only people here in this forum who have discussed the theories you and FE write on these boards who are confused about the storyline of the game are you and FE!
Seriously there is nothing confusing in the VIII storyline heres a quick summation of all 4 discs of the storyline:
You play the role of Squall a mercenary cadet who upon graduating from his cadet scholam program in to the mercenary force SeeD is assigned a squad of 2 members (Selphie and Zell) and assigned to help a ressistance fraction (rebels) in a neighbouring country called Timber. Timber has been under Gabaldian rule for over 17 years since it was invaded and lost to the crushing power of the Gabaldian Army. You've met by this point Ellone though you don't seem to know her 2 times. Once when you were in the medical bay waiting for Quistis your instructor to come and get you and once when you saved her from being killed by a powerful monster in the training arena. You've also encountered Biggs and Wedge, you'll see more of all these characters later.
On the way to Timber you pass out and have a weird dream where you are in the role of a Gabaldian soldier during the invasion of Timber all those years ago. Laguna the Squad leader is hopelessly lost and Kiros and Ward his subordinates make note that it's not the first time they've been lost. After a brief run through Timber you end up in Deling City, Gabaldia. You meet a pianist in a hotel bar called Julia. Laguna has been a fan of her music for quite some time, he's also a fan of her too he fancies her a lot and she makes him nervous which is shown by the fact that whenever he gets nervous an old war wound plays up and his leg cramps. After being invited to her room to talk for a while you get called away to follow new orders. Upon waking from the dream you realize not just you (Squall) had the dream but the entire party dreamt the same thing. Squall doesn't know what caused it but rules out nothing and so forbids the use of the SeeD private car for future journeys incase it was an anti-SeeD attack of some sorts.
Upon arrival in Timber you learn that the ressistance faction is led by the girl you met at your graduation ball. You plot with her to kidnap the president of Gabaldia on his way to a train station. The plan goes wrong you end up with a double who after being attacked transforms in to a creation no longer alive but a zombie. You kill it and go to find information on what happened and how they anticipated your plan. You discover where the real president is but not why or how they found out about the plot. Guess your intel sucked. The next plan is to do "something" which could well include busting in and kicking ass and dying in the attempt. However just as you're about to do something you discover that Seifer a former cadet of SeeD who is also Squall's main rival in training has broken free of the detention center and is in Timber, in fact he's executed plan A and is inside the TV station kicking ass and taking hostages, namely President Deling. Quistis an instructor of Garden and member of SeeD orders you via TV to make your way there, she needs help in dealing with this situation and you just got new orders. Orders being orders you bust in and Zell being a bit of an idiot gives Deling too much information. Seifer disappears when the Sorceress Edea appears and takes him away after magically forcing you to your knees.
You've been revealed and am currently being hunted all over the town by the Gabaldian Army, you were after all involved in 2 assasination attempts! Quistis is stuck with you and so she joins the party. You formulate a plan to escape, protocol dictates you head for the nearest Garden which happens to be further in to enemy territory but should provide you with a safe haven until you can escape back to Balamb. With the help of the remaining resistance members you escape, leaving them to find another way out of the town though they assure you they'll be ok they're masters at this sort of thing. Just before you make it to Gabaldia Garden you have another dream where you collapse this time whoever is in the party with Squall becomes Kiros and Ward. The remaining party member is left to stand guard over your prostrated forms in the middle of a monster infested wood alone.
Arriving at Gabaldia Garden you're informed by Rajin and Fujin that there are "new orders" for you inside Rajin and Fujin are messengers for Garden and not officially SeeD Cadets or members but train alongside students and are also Seifer's only friends in Garden. Martine the garden master of Gabaldia Garden gives you new orders shortly after you hear the news that Seifer was tried and executed for his attack on President Deling. You are to assasinate by means of sniper sorceress Edea. You don't have a marksman and so Martine supplies you with one of Gabladia Garden's finest students (though not a full SeeD member, since to become a member of SeeD you need to go to Balamb Garden to take the exam, see Selphie) in the art of sniping Irvine Kinneas.
Irvine is a ladies man or so he wishes. He successfully offends Quistis, puts Rinoa off and freaks out Selphie in minutes having joined the party and gone to the nearby train station to go Deling City to do your mission. Squall and Zell who until now have been the only males in the party are both kinda "what the hell?" about him and Zell would dearly like to kick his ass from the way he postures much like he does when Seifer calls him names.
In Deling City you eventually after a detour to go acquire the identification number of a SeeD cadet who went to see the general and went missing, meet the man who has hired SeeD to kill the sorceress, It's a general of the Gabaldian Army who fought in the sorceress war against Esthar which ended 17 years ago. He also happens to be Rinoa's father. He immediately forbids Rinoa from taking part in the mission it's simply too dangerous and whats more, she's his daughter if the mission fails of the squad is captured, then Rinoa would be like a giant red marker to his front door. He walks you through the plan, it's simple at 8pm Edea will be under a famous landmark, an archway with gates on either side. There is a direct line of sight from the Presidential Palace, that is where Irvine takes his shot. Should he fail the SeeD squad will attack head on led by Squall.
The attack goes wrong, horribly wrong. First Quistis having been rude to Rinoa abandons her post and her squad (Selphie and Zell) go with her to apologize to Rinoa. Rinoa however is not in the mansion she's escaped before the door locks and is enacting her own plan to stop Edea, tricking Edea in to taking a Odine Bangle as a gift. Quistis' squad ends up locked in the mansion and the procession begins. Rinoa meanwhile ends up being captured rather easily by Edea who is in no mood for playing around. Edea murders President Deling (for real this time) and assumes control of the nation to crowds of adulating civillians. She then sets two statues converted in to the mythical monsters they represent to deal with the pesky Rinoa. Squall and Irvine have been in place and noticed Rinoa and the monsters, they know they have to get to her first especially since Rinoa seems to be out of it in some kind of trance because of Edea. As they slip past Edea's procession in to the palace they discover something else equally disturbing: Seifer is not dead in fact he's Edea's knight. After rescuing Rinoa and hiding in the clock tower ready the game cuts back to Quistis, Selphie and Zell still trapped in Caraway's mansion. If they don't get free and in position in 20 minutes or less Edea will not get caught in the trap and they'll fail the mission. Cue much more frantic searching the room eventually resulting in them finding a hidden passage to the sewers where they manage to find a way back to the arch's gatehouse.
The squads finally being in position and ready make their strike. The gate squad drops the portculli trapping Edea but Irvine has gone and lost it, he's all cool when he's not under pressure but he can't handle the fact that one shot, one bullet changes everything. Squall needs him to fire and so pep talks him in to taking the shot. Predictably Edea stops the bullet with a well timed shield spell. She had way too long to prepare for a trap due to Irvine taking time to be talked round. Squall knew it would happen and so leads his one man assault knowing he must not only face Edea but first go through Seifer who has been pretty much his equal in training.
Squall gets past Seifer and is joined by Rinoa and Irvine (who is seeking repentence for failure earlier) to face Edea. Edea is not amused by this and after a while shoots a bolt of ice through Squall. Fade to black end of disc 1.
Disc 2 begins with a dream of Laguna. He's been in Winhil a sleepy town on the Gabaldian continent healing since he got injured last. His squad was pensioned off on injury and so he has no real life left except for doing the job the Gabaldian army soldiers posted there won't do which is to try and keep the town clear of monsters. He is clearly very taken with the woman who nursed him back to health and the orphan girl she looks after Ellone. Kiros shows up and the two end up talking with Raine, it seems that Ward never regained his voice and Julia the pianist Laguna met in the first Laguna dream did become a singer who released a famous song called "Eyes on Me" which was clearly inspired by her emotions for Laguna. In fact she apparently fell in love with a soldier who went off to war but never came back so she eventually married a young rising general named Caraway according to Julia. Laguna decides it was possibly for the best before putting the past behind him and focusing on his job of keeping the town clear of monsters and tells Kiros he can earn his keep by helping him. After much monster hunting and talk with Kiros the dream ends.
Squall awakens in a prison cell. His wounds have been healed and he's quite clearly disorientated whats more he's about to get tortured by Seifer for the true meaning behind SeeD. He's told that Garden is going to be destroyed but Edea wants to know what the meaning of SeeD is. Eventually Squall passes out.
The game shifts focus to Zell, Selphie and Quistis who are also in prison. Irvine and Rinoa are missing and Selphie and Zell had both experienced dreams about Kiros and Ward. Selphie had seen the same things as Squall did in the dream world but through Kiros' eyes. Zell on the other hand had seen through Ward's eyes and therefore knew Ward was bored outta his brain working in a prison...more to the point it was this prison! So Zell therefore through memories of Ward's working life knows more about this prison than most. It's not like SeeD members to take being imprisoned lightly and so since Selphie and Quistis need weapons and magic to fight whereas Zell a martial artist is a weapon himself when it comes to the plan to escape he goes out to recover their equipment and to work out a way of doing it. Accompanied by one of the prison janitor type creatures a Moomba. Zell shortly finds some G-soldiers searching through their weapons and beats them to death and steals the equipment back. After returning to the cell to give Selphie and Quistis their weapons they're set upon by Biggs and Wedge from the mission to Dollet. They kick their asses but this time the alarm is raised. Therefore in the chaos and confusion Zell's knowledge is the main thing keeping them alive long enough to try and find Squall. Squall is helped by the Moomba's who strangely keep calling him "Laguna" the only human word they can apparently say Seifer having left to attend to the pressing matters of blowing up Garden.
Eventually the squad is reunited with Squall but Rinoa and Irvine are still missing. Then as they're pinned down by machine gun fire and considering their next move, Irvine storms in with style. Well he would have had Rinoa not kicked him in the ass. Turns out he actually somehow escaped in all the confusion of the situation back in Deling City and so spent time hiding out at Caraway's mansion before Caraway sent him to collect Rinoa from prison. Not the rest, just her. She however was not about to abandon the others and so under threats of violence and great pain made Irvine turn back to help them.
Reunited the squad eventually make it out of prison. They see a salvo of missiles streak off in to the sky from a train station in the desert. The missiles Rinoa says are aimed at Trabia and soon missiles will be fired at Balamb. Selphie formally requests the chance to lead a squad to the missile base, she failed to help Trabia Garden but she wants to do her best for Balamb. Squall after a minutes thought agrees with her that something needs doing to put that missile base out of commission. He dispatches 2 squad members with her and takes the other two back to Balamb to warn Cid the head master and have Garden evacuated.
Selphie's squad infiltrates the missile base as G-soldiers and manages to sow confusion and dissent amonst the soldiers at the base. However they can't stop the launch they can only screw with the guidance so the missiles are much more likely to miss the intended target. Eventually however as they attempt to set the detonation sequence for the missile base's auto-destruct they're compromised and must fight their way free. Just as they're about to get out they get caught by the base commanders again this time in a massive tank. Selphie's squad manages to defeat the tank but cannot open the doors for the missile base. It seems Selphie's squad will die. After a few final ruminations that Squall must hate her and she's a failure the base explodes leaving the player to think that the characters in that squad are dead.
Meanwhile in record time Squall has managed to get back to Garden in Balamb with his squad, even though they had to cross all of Gabaldia and Timber and an ocean as wanted fugitives! He's back and looking to give his warning but it appears Garden is having a crisis. Students are fighting students and trying to arrest SeeD members on orders from the Faculty who claim to be following the true master of Garden a being named NORG. Squall needs to see Headmaster Cid so he tracks down Quistis' best friend and the leader of the Ciddites in Garden Xu. Xu eventually gets them to Cid who has been hiding in his office all the time. Squall makes his report and Cid rightfully concludes that evacuating Garden will take too much time but there might be something else more useful than evacuation. He wants to go to the MD level of Garden a basement level deep in the bowels of the place which might even have monsters. Squall convinces Cid that a squad of SeeD ought to do it instead, more importantly his squad since they're not involved in the dispute between the two factions. Cid agrees and sends Squall.
Squall manages to get through the MD level and triggers some machinery not really knowing what to expect, some sort of shield generators to kick in? No it turns out Garden can fly, it pulls itself outta the ground and rides on the blast wave of missiles what would have hit if it hadn't been for Selphie's squad. Thing is, theres the town of Balamb ahead and Garden is going to hit it if Squall can't steer it clear not that Squall even knows what he's doing he's the only one with a hope apparently. Squall somehow gets Garden to turn last minute and it floats out to sea where it becomes a floating island.
Squall is eventually called upon by the Faculty (all hostilities stopped in Garden once it started flying) to go see Garden Master NORG. As he goes there he sees Cid acting pitifully. Cid leaves and NORG turns his attention to Squall. Apparently Squall shouldn't have escaped and saved Garden but then Martine was never meant to use Squall for the mission for Caraway. NORG wishes to give Squall's squad over to Edea as a peace offering and to do that he intends to kill them himself first. Squall isn't having this one bit and so with his squad kicks NORG's ass and promptly leaves, the room. Like the faculty could stop him if they tried!
After several days drifting and doing not much other than being antisocial Squall is interrupted by one of the squad members, depending on who went to the missile base. If Rinoa is around she will ask for a tour since she's not actually a SeeD and doesn't know her way around (not that she hasn't had days to manage to go look at the directory and can find her way from her room to Squalls easily enough) it's clearly a trap to get him to spend time with her. Later Squall gets called to the balcony near the classroom he took lessons in. Seems some other soldiers calling themselves the White SeeD have come for a woman they call Ellone. Cid asks Squall to go get her from the library and you finally get to properly meet Ellone and discover the dreams of Laguna are her sending you back in to the past to view the events of the world through the eyes of Laguna, Kiros and Ward though to what purpose she doesn't explain. Ellone leaves with the White SeeD.
Shortly afterwards Garden which is completely out of control crashes in to a place called Fishermans Horizon. Cid sends Squall ashore to request help, apologize for the damage and to investigate he wants him to see the world for what it is. Squall does so and strangely finds Martine in FH too turns out Edea siezed Gabaldia Garden, turned it in to her base of operations and Martine had nowhere else to go. Mayor Dobe agrees to help Garden, after all they helped build it in the first place. FH is a mini artificial island in the middle of a transcontinental rail bridge between the Gabaldian and Estharian continents. The inhabitants are generally speaking engineers who for one reason or another left their homelands and ended up there living isolated from both countries. It's peaceful really or rather it is until a Gabaldian attack force shows up! Squall is caught up in the middle of it and whilst Dobe doesn't want them to use violence Squall ends the invasion of FH the best way he knows how. In the end of the battle they fight this beaten up tank what looks strangely familiar. After defeating the tank which then reverses off a sheer drop in to the ocean surprisingly Selphie's squad climbs out of the wreckage! Reunited they return to Garden.
After a garden festival which takes place in FH and the repairs to Garden are done and Nida a cadet who graduated at the same time as Squall, Selphie and Zell is taught to pilot it Cid passes over the mantle of command to Squall. Theres a twofold reason Garden it seems is in a state of war and a headmaster is not what it needs now, it needs a General and regardless of his antisocial behaviour, aloof manner or general not wanting the job Squall got it! The second reason is a bit of a shocker considering Cid has tasked Squall with assasinating her: Edea is Cid's wife! He wants you to kill his estranged wife! Squall's first port of call is Balamb which now has something what looks strangely like Gabaldia Garden floating above the water outside of it in the bay of the harbour! Landing nearby Squall and a squad infiltrate the town with the help of Zell who's adoptive mother lives there. They discover Fujin and Rajiin are there searching for something for Seifer who is working for Edea. It all boils down to a big ass kicking and Fujn and Rajiin flee Balamb.
Selphie then asks to go to Trabia, she knows it got hit but she would like to see what happened. Squall agrees, it's only fair. They go there, turns out Trabia is a cold isolated place and Garden is really about the only thing there apart from some shumii's who in a voluntary quest explain even more about Laguna and also about Moombas. Trabia Garden is a wreck, so many dead and so many gone never to return. It's also where Irvine decides to reveal a nuclear bomb of a bombshell. "Hey guys, theres a reason I choked back there in Deling and I couldn't believe you guys didn't realize/know this" he explains they all (including Seifer) grew up in an orphanage together and that Sorceress Edea was actually the matron of the place and thats kinda why he choked. So Cid is married to Edea but never told Squall this information, Squalls a little pissed but Irvine kinda remembers where the orphanage is and so they decide to head there.
Arriving near the orphanage they see something ominious, Gabaldia Garden beat them there, or maybe they were just waiting it's all irrelevant they're here and they mean business but then so does Nida. Battle commences and the SeeD cadets and remaining SeeD of Balamb Garden aren't ready for it and are getting their asses handed to them. Cue some inspirational talk and a plan to assault the enemy back and. The SeeDs pull themselves together for round 2! Rescuing Rinoa along the way Squall battles his way inside the G-Garden which seems to have been rammed outta the sky by Nida! Go Nida! Round 3 of Squall x Seifer begins and this time you have allies. Seifer is kicked to the curb but not before he unleashes a powerful attack on you. Edea meanwhile with a taste for the theatrical teleports away to the room below a theatre/clasroom/conference room. Squall and squad rush down to battle her only for her to drop through the ceiling in a shower of glass. They kick her arse and she goes down only for her to suddenly beg them to stop. Ignoring the standing orders from Cid to kill Edea, Squall does so but Rinoa collapses in a coma like state. Fade to black end of Disc 2!
It's Disc 3, Several days pass and Squall decides the only way to get answers is to go straight to Edea and Cid who are now living in the ruins of their old orphanage. Turns out Edea wasn't really evil, she was posessed by another sorceress from the future called ultimecia and that she thinks ultimecia is a threat still and that also the answer to Rinoa condition lies with the White SeeD and Ellone. The White SeeD sent Ellone to Esthar! God, they're a secretive bunch and hard to find, you also find out that the resistance fraction members who stayed behind in Timber are alive and well on the White SeeD ship.
Squall runs away from Garden with Rinoa whom he has fallen hopelessly in love with over the course of the story so far. (this makes less sense if Rinoa went on the missile base mission) He can't live without her and so will do anything to save her but still hasn't learnt the value of friendship. Eventually he is caught up to by the rest of the squad who apparently left Garden in FH. Also of note, Edea came with them since she wants to see Doctor Odine in Esthar about surpressing or stripping her powers so she might never again be posessed by Ultimecia. After a long journey and getting lost they eventually find a chute high up a wall of air climing an invisible ladder they find an access tunnel...destination? Apparently, Esthar!
Along the way the Laguna story has developed further though I'm doing one big summation of this: Ellone it seems is kidnapped by the Estharian Soldiers, even though there was Gabaldian Soldiers there to STOP that kind of thing! Laguna and Kiros have reunited with Ward and begin searching for her, promising to return to Raine when they find her. Laguna has become obsessed, he did everything to get more money, starred in a movie even about the sorceresses knight where he battled a ruby dragon on camera with a gunblade ect. He eventually ends up in Esthar where he finds Dr Odine has Ellone and is investigating her for Sorceress Adel who is the one responsible for the war against Gabaldia! He agrees to help a resistance movement end the war and Adel for help in return of getting to Ellone. After rescuing Ellone he makes good on his agreement to help the rebels eventually tricking Adel in to a trap and freezing her.
In Esthar Squall and co are greeted by a messenger who agrees to take them to see Odine and to talk to the president about letting them see Ellone. Odine requests some time to study Rinoa's condition and agrees to send her on ahead to Lunar Station where Squall should head when ready. Turns out to see Ellone Squall has to go in to space with just one more squad member, it's a 6 shooter of space capsules! Squall chooses to take Quistis with him and heads up to space. In space you meet Pierre who is studying a rare occurrence. It turns out monsters aren't natural to the planet, they come from the moon in an event called the Lunar Cry this is where such a mass of monsters is present on the moon they're capable of launching themselves from the surface of the moon across space and of surviving entry into the atmosphere it's incredibly dangerous and Squall just got a front row seat.
Squall gets to finally ask Ellone about the Laguna dreams and such properly and also the situation with Rinoa the ophanage ect, It is during this period of the game that Ellone will finally tell Squall that Laguna's hunt for Ellone led to him missing the birth of his child and death of his wife, Raine. Ellone had hoped to change the past to make it better but realized her power couldn't do that anymore than ultimecia could have if she posessed normal beings with her Ellone-Junction machine. At the same time, things get real on the surface Zell, Irvine, Selphie and Edea are faced with a crisis. Odine has detected Lunatic Pandora a project of his encountered by the player in the past during the second Laguna dream. Seems the Pandora is full of Gabaldians who are hell bent on causing trouble led by Seifer! Zell leads a party to intercept and manages to get aboard the Pandora only to end up ejected by some kind of sentient crystal structure. In space Rinoa suddenly gets up in a trance and won't come too in fact she magically flings Squall away whenever he tries to get close or touch her. She puts herself in an airlock and puts on a suit before ejecting herself to the vacumn of space. Being in a suit she survives the vacumn and heads over to the reason for Lunar Station, Adel still frozen but still alive is in space. Rinoa starts a defrosting program which allows Adel to become concious in the ice. With the aid of Lunatic Pandora, The Lunar Cry is drawn to Esthar and obliterates the Lunar station which was evacuated just in time. Adel is carried by the Lunar Cry right to Lunatic Pandora.
Squall in space plummetting towards safety decides he wants to go on a suicide mission to save Rinoa. Quistis lets him go. So there in space air running out, drifting Rinoa now back to herself. thinks she's about to die and all she can think about is Squall because she too is in utterly helpless love! Love makes a man do crazy things. However it seems somehow wether it be orbiting the planet or the moon or whatever a spaceship drifts by, it's abandoned but has some power still so Squall and Rinoa are saved. They go on board the spaceship and eventually point it in the direction of the planet and Esthar they need to land quick. Here they openly state their love for one another.
Upon Landing however the Estharian's deem Rinoa too dangerous, she is after all a sorceress, she must be! Adel is freed and Lunar station destroyed. They arrest her and plan to put her in ice like Adel was. Rinoa goes quietly and though Squall doesn't like it he lets her go since there isn't much he can do. Eventually his squad mates find him and ask him what happened to Rinoa he explains and they basically tell him "You've gotta save her" meanwhile Selphie and Irvine messing around somehow figure out how to fly the Ragnorak. Flying over to the place where Rinoa is going to be frozen Squall busts in and saves her, for the second time he's not surpressing his emotion he's acting upon it and he's truly happy even though technically his actions the first time should have killed him and the second time should have made him a fugitive.
Upon returning to the Ragnorak it semes the president of Esthar's envoy has called, they need to meet Envoy Kiros is comming with Ward and president Laguna to see them. Laguna explains Adel needs to be stopped and that Adel is posessed by Ultimecia. Therefore he wants Squall and his team of crack agents to go in there and do what he tried to do 17 years ago except it won't be enough to stop just Adel, Squall must stop Ultimecia who happens to be from the distant future. The only way to do this is for them to actually do what Ultimecia wants to do, activate time compression except where if Ultimecia did it only she could exist in the world If Ellone does it willingly she can put Squall and party in a time compressed world where they can meet with Ultimecia and kill her. It is here that if you speak to Kiros and Ward, Kiros interpreting for the mute Ward will say "It's a good job you look like your mother" this is some of the key supporting evidence that Squall is in fact the child of Laguna and Raine along with the words said by Ellone in space about changing the past and needing a personal connection to the person involved.
Squall assaults Lunatic Pandora and just before facing Adel he must once again go through Seifer, Seifer however kidnaps Rinoa and drags her to Adel who in some sick sort of parody Junctions Rinoa to draw upon her power. Rinoa is a victim here and in the ensuing battle, Squall had to act quickly and decisively to beat Adel whilst keeping Rinoa alive. Having done that Ellone comes up to activate time compression. End of Disc 3.
Disc 4! In time compression Squall and party must go through a weird trippy journey where they battle sorceresses of the past and future across time. Eventually they end up at the right time. Ultimecia's castle beckons and so they rush off to battle her. They fight their way through her castle and eventually come upon her where they kill her with much difficulty (well it is the final boss) and time compression begins to unravel. Following Ellone's instruction the others begin to make it back home except for Squall who ends up stuck in time compression lost. He witnesses a key moment in the past, his past he witnesses the point where Ultimecia dying gives Edea her powers. Eventually he becomes lost without Ultimecia to follow through time in time compression. Rinoa somehow saves him and they all live hapilly ever after.
Whats so confusing about that above?
Ok the rest of the story, the sub quests, the dialogue is all filler the above synopsis of the game is all filler it's not important part of learning how to rip apart a story or a poem and make educated assumptions about the definition of it is to look at what actually happens and not what is said. I reccomend reading this poem. When you can look at that poem and say with a certainty what actually happened and what is actually meant by the choice of words and how he writes them then you're not just making wild baseless assumptions but educated and informed assumptions. I can base my assumptions and information on the bare bones of what happened in the game, what events took place and what was literally said you base your assumptions off iconography what has nothing to do with anything, assumptions based on assumptiions based on meaningless iconography and interpretation of words without looking at what actually happened. Is VIII a detailed and rich world? Yes in so far as the level of detail and richness what can be achieved in it's day however is it more complicated than my synopsis above? No. I quoted in there without quoting at times, in others I paraphrased I even put thing out of order at times. However anyone who reads that and has played VIII and isn't you or FE can read it and appreciate that is exactly what happened over 4 discs of gameplay.
As I opened with, it strikes me that the only people confused about VIII is you in this thread not the rest of us.
Final Fantasy VIII has sold more than 7,000,000 copies which equal thousands of players that have played the game. So, are you saying that me and FE are the only two persons out of these thousands people that get confused by the VIII's storyline? I don't think so, buddy.
All of the VIII players or veterans don't visit this forum. At least 30+ players regularly visit this forum. Most of the majority don't post, instead, they look at posts. People have moved on, VIII is old and already gone.
So your logic is flawed.
Thanks for the copy & paste, but that was completely unnecessary and irrelevant.
I'm not talking about the storyline being confusing in a way that they can't be understood. I'm talking about certain elements (e.g. Ultimecia) from the storyline that cannot be deciphered fully, because they are ambiguous. Images and movements (without any text) are ambiguous and they happen to be related with the plot. Confusing as in a way that there's no straight answer.
Thank for trying, though.
No, you're the one who is confused because you don't understand my posts clearly.
Spoken language, image, and body movement important are all important. You're implying that 'dialogues' are the most important thing, never mind image or body movement. Don't be offensive, buddy.
I recommend reading my posts properly next time.
I already have based my assumptions on what happened (evidence) from the game, buddy. I took these bits out of the game and connect with each other to draw a conclusion that they are brothers. There's nothing wild about that.
You're just saying that my assumptions are not sound and logical simply because the whole idea of Squall and Seifer being brothers is ridiculous.
Complicated, really? Are we on the same game? VIII's been proven to be one of the most 'debating' FF games, because many users have posted threads about it to clarify something and agrue. If it wasn't complicated, then there wouldn't be many threads and FAQs regarding the game. You're just saying that it's not complicated because there's arrogance in your own being.
So, I'm confused because I was bored and made a theory out of something? Ok.
Carry on.
I haven't really kept up with this, but why are we all still arguing over a joke theory?
If it really was a joke theory Serapy would have said "Haha got you all! It was a joke!" and left it at that instead of continuing to argue on its behalf.
Actually look at my post and understand that properly. I am saying that the people on this forum in this thread what are confused about the story comprise of you and Future Esthar. Therefore before you go waving your pudgy little obsessive theory pointing fingers around, accusing me of not reading your posts properly, learn to read other peoples posts properly yourself. Thanks.
Actually Serapy, that was personally typed out for you by me so thanks for being offensive towards my effort to help you understand the storyline and yet you call me offensive? If I was being offensive, I would probably have gotten banned years ago for what I'd love to write here about you. I would say I've been a model for restraint here, don't believe me? Well, just ask some of the other members who speak to me on other mediums what I have to say about you, I could probably make you break down and weep if I got started.Thanks for the copy & paste, but that was completely unnecessary and irrelevant.
I'm not talking about the storyline being confusing in a way that they can't be understood. I'm talking about certain elements (e.g. Ultimecia) from the storyline that cannot be deciphered fully, because they are ambiguous. Images and movements (without any text) are ambiguous and they happen to be related with the plot. Confusing as in a way that there's no straight answer.
Thank for trying, though.
The storyline is the storyline you cannot argue with that and frankly your post doesn't actually attempt to declare me wrong on the events of the storyline. I expected as much since I am sure other members would read that and agree with me on the events of the storyline. You say yourself the storyline isn't confusing then where does your confusion come from? Clearly you seem to believe that by removing the context of the storyline and analysing the images alone hidden meanings will be revealed to you. I got news bub;
Movements and images without context can be interpreted as anything you wish same as quotes for examples; a music chain in the uk has the slogan of "suck it and see" for their returns policy, if you try it and it sucks bring it back and we'll change it kind of thing (this is for real here the chain is Fopp) If I we're to however just post "Suck it and see" in this thread what could I be refferring to? Why the answer is anything If there is no context then there is no right or wrong way of interpreting the image, quote or movements. Context is the single most important thing when analysing and making assumptions. You fail to ever really consider evidence in context of it must fit the storyline, rather you seem to think that analysing the images and giving them context in your opinion and then disregarding those who analyse it in context of the storyline as wrong. I gave you the storyline and you've clearly agreed it's correct then in the context of the storyline where would be your evidence of any of the theories you've posted lately?
I understand you perfectly well Serapy, you're not some mystical prophet speaking in riddles and even if you we're I would still understand you. I am simply telling you straight: Serapy you are in the wrong here, there is no evidence to sustain your theories. Not just this theory in this here thread but any of your theories. I'm not the only one saying this but aside from Future Esthar 95% of the members of this forum who visit the Final Fantasy VIII section agree with me. Even those who don't come to the section but know of you and your theories agree with me. To prove yourself and your theories correct we need believable evidence and logical explanations based not on ancient greeks or myths and legends we need it based on the information available in the game.No, you're the one who is confused because you don't understand my posts clearly.
Your arrogance astounds me for someone who cannot back up his claims he makes with evidence and so relies on ignoring other people's posts and repeating himself over and over. Sitting in the corner with your hands on your ears screaming the same thing over and over doesn't make it true, it does make you look like a crack pot however. As said before, I could understand your post just fine, you're just damn wrong and won't admit it.
Your evidence is flimsy, it doesn't fit together without some very illogical stretching of fact and fiction based on the storyline. If this were a court of law you would be laughed out of the room by the judge as he sent your ass to a cell for wasting the court's time with your farce of a case, don't believe me? Ask Raistlin, he happens to be a lawyer, ask him what would happen if he went to court with this as a case to prove your theory.
What is ridiculous is the fact that you took a look at the same storyline and evidence as the rest of us and decided that the evidence added up to making the idea more than just a possibility but a fact. We've all looked at this and added 2 and 2 together and made 4. You've taken the same 2 and 2 and made 5.
Ok well straight up, you say many users have made threads to debate and clarify things. I wish to see your list of these many users. I would also like to see how often your name or the name of Future Esthar crop up compared to them. The only two people who continuously make theories for classification or debate is the two of you. I'm very certain that anyone with an IQ more than that of a glass of water didn't find it all that complicated after the initial playthrough.
You're confused because you're back pedalling and trying to conceal that yet another theory of yours has been destroyed. It's not washing and nothing you can do can prove to us that you made this theory because you were bored. I name thee a troll pure and simple at best and at worst I couldn't actually type it without getting banned.
I have played the game as others members here and they have understood clearly that Seifer is obviously not Squall's brother. All the "evidence" you've presented has been proven by various people in this thread to be invalid. The best thing would be to accept that you misunderstood it and go about your day.
They didn't copy eacother's actions; they were fighting. It's common for two people who are in a sword fight to try to take a slash at one another. This has nothing to do with genetics. How many times does this need to be explained to you before you get that?That's my point. If two minds know the coords of something very well (e.g. where to attack), then they are likely to be identical somehow. Genes in same families are more identical than different familes. Therefore...
A brother usually copys his own brother's actions in some way. Having a dream and all...
Right, accept they're not identical as was aforementioned. Squall clearly shares some physical attributes of Laguna. Seifer on the other hand looks nothing like Squall. The designer purposely made them polar opposites both in personality and physical design except for fighting styles and weaponry. In no way were they trying to depict that they were brothers, but instead rivals.It's reasonable, actually. When a designer draws multiple characters, and if two of his characters happen to be more identical to each other than the others, then that designer must have had thought of the same thing at the time. It's also reasonable if it happens to be a coincidence.
Yes, anything can be assumed, but that doesn't make it correct. If you assumed I was a man, you would still be wrong. Similarly, Serapy, you assume that Seifer is Squall's brother which is also wrong.
Ring around the rosie.
It is. He did. He has. He's not. *bows*.
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