Copyright and Movie links shut down

[rubah]

I seriously can't understand people who want to watch cam'd bootlegs. Unless something has changed significantly in the quality that I'm unaware of, the most you'd get out of it is the plot, minus all any subtle body language. just wait for it to come out on dvd and get ripped, at least! I mean, that's basically the same thing as waiting for it to come to cheap theaters except instead of $2 it's free.

[Rase]

Because the best way to convince a producer to lower the price of their goods is buy lowering the ROI for said producer. That totally works.

You'd rather people support the making of good movies by paying to see bad ones? That makes even less sense.

I'd rather see people support the making of movies they watch and therefore want to see on some level. Piracy to me means that you think it's good enough to enjoy, but not enough to reimburse the creators. I don't see how this can be helpful on any level to an economy, let alone the quality of future products by the company.

Frankly, I don't think piracy is nearly as big a deal as the movie companies would like us to think. I've rarely known anyone who pirated something that they were willing to pay to see (unless they actually paid to see it first).

Again, the idea of pirating something you aren't willing to pay for on some level doesn't make any sense to me. If there is some desire in you to use a product, there will be a level you are willing to pay/work/whatever to use it, from my view at least. If you don't want to reimburse the creator of something at all for their product while using it that's a problem on your end. I may not want to pay $50k for a car despite wanting said car, but I think we can agree my solution should not just be to take it. My experiences with piracy are the opposite. People I know pirate what they want to see/play, but just don't wanna pay anything for because they have a way to get it for free. This doesn't really fly in an other area of commerce, not sure why you think it should here.

Movies for two people plus any food at said movies can cost upwards of $50 a pop these days.

There's a good reason that I generally wait until Tuesday's when tickets are half price at my theater and bring any snacks I may want with me.

Man, sorry the tickets at your place cost so much. Highest around here is $9.75, and there are a vast number of ways to get it down to $7. I don't know many people who buy the food at the theater, but unless I'm mistaken the profit a theater makes on concessions does not affect the film companies, so that's a different matter.

[Levian]

Pretty much what MILF said. They need to distribute movies in a different way in this day and age. DVD releases needs to be quicker, releases should be as close to eachother across the globe.

ugly example:
A Nightmare on Elm Street
American Release: April 30th
American DVD Release: Still TBA
Norwegian Release: December 2010
Norwegian DVD Release: Oh god, I don't even want to think about it.

how on earth am I supposed to not pirate this movie?

Older movies needs to be more available as well. There's a dozen of old classics I haven't watched that DVD rental places around here doesn't have.

[Loony BoB]

I seriously can't understand people who want to watch cam'd bootlegs. Unless something has changed significantly in the quality that I'm unaware of, the most you'd get out of it is the plot, minus all any subtle body language. just wait for it to come out on dvd and get ripped, at least! I mean, that's basically the same thing as waiting for it to come to cheap theaters except instead of $2 it's free.

Seriously, I can't stand it when I try to download a movie and find out it's a shoddy camcorded piece of crap. >=[

I agree with Lev that they need to start doing global releases for everything if they really want to play the game right.

The future will, of course, be made up of subliminal advertising similar to what we saw in I, Robot.

[Shiny]

Some people have consumer HD cameras now that makes the quality a bit better, but apart from that cammed bootlegs are usually pretty crap because Ray Ray and dem always has to get up in the middle of a good scene to go get some popcorn or take a tinkle.

They need to distribute movies in a different way in this day and age. DVD releases needs to be quicker, releases should be as close to eachother across the globe.

If only distributing were that simple.

[ShunNakamura]

I may not want to pay $50k for a car despite wanting said car, but I think we can agree my solution should not just be to take it.

Indeed since you have literally taken money out of their hands. However, if every person had a matter duplicator that could duplicate anything they had a picture of with practically no overhead cost that would be more akin to the internet/digital example. Obviously in such an environment something would give out. And it is far more morally grey, than the example of which you steal the car from the lot. This is what is happening with the digital media at the moment.

And since people seem to state their own deals I will too. I pirate stuff regularly. Mostly to see if it is worth the cost. Most of the time I find that it isn't. However, I do prefer to rent/borrow over pirating(though it can often be difficult to find things like that). Saves space/time/effort/etc, this is why things like Netflix do so well. People are lazy, they will take the path of least resistance in most cases. However, even lazy people will balk at a path that appears to be ridiculously costly to take. Particularly if there is a path nearby that is far cheaper and far more user friendly(which torrenting movies has become, they can get the movie instantly with nearly no hassle or they can pay for the privileged of being inconvenienced; even computer illiterates can download stuff these days. . . usually. . . my mother is exempted from that group. If I have to teach her how to update her profile pic on facebook or to right click and save an image one more time. . . ).


Back on topic'ish. The web and the interweb pirates have created new expectations in people. The internet has greatly reduced the cost of distribution and has made it possible to release world-wide at once with almost no hassle to the consumer. However, very few companies have embraced the technology; rather they cling to the past(probably because making full use of the new technology isn't easy nor, for many, intuitive).

As for distribution. It should be released(imo) to both theatre and home theatre(online streaming of somekind) at the same time. This would allow a world wide release(though native language releases may come later) since the net, thus online streaming, isn't limited by location(well location can play a part, but it isn't anywhere near as large as when stocking dvd's in a store). Anyways if that was met it would be ideal. Then the choice of going to the theatre or watching it at home would be entirely up to individual preferences. And the competition could even be good for the theatres when it comes to improving service.

[Miriel]

A little part of me died when NinjaVideo got taken down. Not that I used it much for streaming movies, but damn, Ninja Video basically was my television set. So much easier to watch Vampire Diaries or True Blood on Ninja whenever I wanted, rather than waiting to watch it at a specific time on a specific date.

I always wondered why the people at Ninja did what they did. What was in it for them? After the feds shut them down (along with a bunch of other streaming sites), the Ninja Video Manifesto got passed around: YouTube - NinjaVideo Manifesto Part 1

Definitely a bit pretentious and they don't really address the issue of legality, but still really interesting to hear the admin's take on pirating and why sites like Ninja Video exist.

[Ouch!]

While I agree that a change in media distribution needs to happen, I also think people need to stop kidding themselves and acknowledge that pirating is illegal, whatever justification one might be able to provide. Piracy is not even an effective means of civil disobedience.

Just accept that it's illegal and move on. People need to stop trying to justify the position; whether the alternative is reasonable or not, theft is still theft. Don't hide behind other things to try to pass the activity as anything else. Just deal with it and move on. That means accepting the consequences.

[McLovin']

"YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A CAR"

that commercial makes me laugh.

[Rad Bromance]

That's kind of like arresting a gunsmith because the person who purchased the gun committed crimes with it.

It's more like arresting someone who's selling prescription drugs under the table to junkies who don't have a prescription for them.

No, cause no sale is going on.

the "setting up a deal" example further up is the best so far.

OH PUH-LEEEEEZE, you know what I meant, you aren't stupid. Okay, fine then, it's like giving prescription drugs to junkies who don't have a prescription for them. It's still illegal, and, in the case of copyrighted media, it's still distributing something that's not yours against the wishes of it's creators.

I always find these threads of people trying to make a moral argument in defense of what equates to stealing (notice, I didn't say is stealing) hilarious. Carry on.

[Del Murder]

While I agree that a change in media distribution needs to happen, I also think people need to stop kidding themselves and acknowledge that pirating is illegal, whatever justification one might be able to provide. Piracy is not even an effective means of civil disobedience.

Just accept that it's illegal and move on. People need to stop trying to justify the position; whether the alternative is reasonable or not, theft is still theft. Don't hide behind other things to try to pass the activity as anything else. Just deal with it and move on. That means accepting the consequences.

Yeah, exactly. We're kidding ourselves trying to think downloading bootlegged movies and TV shows is somehow legal. I get sad when these sites get taken down because then I can't get free stuff, but I'm not going to get up in arms about it.

I just hope the people behind these sites don't get in too much trouble, because I don't think the entertainment industry is suffering as much from this as they might think. At least in my own experience I only download things that I would never pay for anyway. If there is a movie I really want to see I'll go see it in the theater. Taking these sites down just means I'm not going to see their products at all, which could hurt them in the sense that if I liked what I saw I may be more inclined to buy it in the future.

But yeah, definitely illegal, and until they come up with a new cheap way to distribute this stuff it will always go on. Piracy will always exist when there are things to pirate.

[Bunny]

"YOU WOULDN'T TEALDOWNLOAD A CAR"

that commercial makes me laugh.

I would totally download a car.

[Levian]

Don't say "yeah, exactly" to a post if you don't agree with it, Del.

People need to stop trying to justify the position; whether the alternative is reasonable or not, theft is still theft.

At least in my own experience I only download things that I would never pay for anyway.

[Marshall Banana]

Well...I don't think that downloading a movie is akin to stealing something tangible, like money or goods, which is what I think of when I hear "theft." Really, I don't see much difference in watching a movie on the internet that someone has shared and watching a movie at a friend's house that I don't own either.

[Del Murder]

Don't say "yeah, exactly" to a post if you don't agree with it, Del.

People need to stop trying to justify the position; whether the alternative is reasonable or not, theft is still theft.

At least in my own experience I only download things that I would never pay for anyway.

I never said it wasn't still theft. I was just saying I'm a good boy most of the time.