Justin Bieber et al.

[Dreddz]

I think its a bit out of hand really. Justin Bieber is actually quite talented and I have no idea why he shouldn't pursue his dream if he can. Fair enough, I can understand why people wouldn't like his music but to have a personal vendetta against him is a bit extreme.

I think his music is ok for what it is. Plus he seems genuinely nice. No qualms with him whatsoever.

[black orb]

>>> The guy is rich, Im not..

Thats reason enough to hate a person..

[DMKA]

There's also the fact that he doesn't know what German is.

[Madame Adequate]

It's because he makes more money in a single show than most people make in five years. There's plenty of artists I dislike but I don't get wound up with people liking other artists or disliking things I like, but then I'm not an insecure moron with no sense of self. If people want to make derpy claims they're free to do so, and if they want to hold opinions based on what opinions other people hold they're free to do so, doesn't make any odds to me. There's stuff I see every day, and have seen in this thread, that I think is irrefutably and objectively wrong, but I'm not actually going to get anywhere by telling people that so why bother?

I will say that I believe one of the most pernicious attitudes in the modern arts and entertainment world is that everything has to have some deep meaning to be worthwhile, or that there is some inevitable and immutable contradiction between profit and provocation, or that showmanship is not in itself rich with potential to be completely awesome.

[Pheesh]

I will say that I believe one of the most pernicious attitudes in the modern arts and entertainment world is that everything has to have some deep meaning to be worthwhile, or that there is some inevitable and immutable contradiction between profit and provocation, or that showmanship is not in itself rich with potential to be completely awesome.

I don't think the music has to have a deep meaning to be worthwhile, but it should actually contribute something to the art-form in order for it to be considered anything but a money making tactic. Also, if by showmanship you mean provocatively dressed tweens dancing with other provocatively dressed tweens then I'm afraid I have to disagree.

EDIT: I just saw the link you posted, I'll add this to my comments; there is always room for a stage show in music, especially in pop music because no one really wants to watch what the band is doing (when there is a band), so they need to have something to occupy and captivate the audience, which is fine. But dancing and costumes should always come second and doesn't excuse mediocre music, and in the same vein, having those performance aspects doesn't make you a better musician. That would be like saying WWE athletes are good 'wrestlers'; sure they leap through the air and look menacing and are probably very fit, but they're limited in what actual wrestling ability they have.

[Madame Adequate]

I don't see anything wrong with an artist being/pursuing a money-making tactic, or with people enjoying one, so I suppose this whole thing is lost on me.

[NorthernChaosGod]

There's also the fact that he doesn't know what German is.

I... what?

[Bunny]

Has this been posted yet?

[Raistlin]

I don't think the music has to have a deep meaning to be worthwhile, but it should actually contribute something to the art-form in order for it to be considered anything but a money making tactic.

I have to agree with MILF here. What is wrong with someone's main (or even sole) motivation for their choice in livelihood being to make money? Isn't that the whole point of jobs for the majority of people everywhere? It seems to be a ridiculous double-standard that once someone reaches an arbitrary level of fame they become morally obligated to have more altruistic or "meaningful" goals.

There's also the fact that he doesn't know what German is.

Wow, that is a scary level of stupid.

[Pheesh]

I don't think the music has to have a deep meaning to be worthwhile, but it should actually contribute something to the art-form in order for it to be considered anything but a money making tactic.

I have to agree with MILF here. What is wrong with someone's main (or even sole) motivation for their choice in livelihood being to make money? Isn't that the whole point of jobs for the majority of people everywhere? It seems to be a ridiculous double-standard that once someone reaches an arbitrary level of fame they become morally obligated to have more altruistic or "meaningful" goals.

Nothing what-so-ever wrong with it, but let's not treat the kid like he's actually a good musician deserving of musical respect just because he's rich. Ha made his money because he's a record company fueled, singing and dancing machine that appeals to the biggest market in pop music: screaming tweenage girls. I don't care if he's rich (so long as not a single cent in his pocket has come from me), but I do care when people decide that just because he is rich that he's somehow a good musician.

[Raistlin]

No one's saying you should like or respect him because he's rich (and I don't do either, personally). Wealth is a pretty irrational reason to like someone's music. On that same vein, popularity is a similarly irrational reason to dislike someone's music.

That being said, I think he's likely just another girly pop fad that will be unheard of in 5 years. This is nothing new.

[Pheesh]

Just to be clear, I dislike his music because to me it barely constitutes music, not because it's popular (although the fact that it's popular will always confuse me).

I agree with your last statement though.

[Cuchulainn]

No one's saying you should like or respect him because he's rich (and I don't do either, personally). Wealth is a pretty irrational reason to like someone's music. On that same vein, popularity is a similarly irrational reason to dislike someone's music.

That being said, I think he's likely just another girly pop fad that will be unheard of in 5 years. This is nothing new.

Of course. It's manufactured souless garbage. Despite certain people pretending to know EXACTLY people motives for not liking him, that is pretty much what most people will tell you.

Like you say he'll be gone soon enough & I can't wait for his meltdown with hidden camera pictures of him sniffing coke off a male prostitutes arse. Should be funsies.

[Peegee]

[Rantz]

Is that a real quote? xD