You mean 12 and 13 battle systems. Not the best, X-2 battle system was a highlight to the game, a bit to girly for me, which I think was the point behind it which is fair enough. The old system is and always will be the best in my opinion. Maybe if they revived that system but added a bit of skill into it like Shadow Hearts (did you ever play them) very good rpg, closest any one has got to beating FF. You would think that they would have more games out since 10 which was 8 years ago now Apparantly verus 13 has World map back which i have missed, I like straight forward games but not mind numbing linerity like ff13. Hopefully SE will realise the potential in the ps3, we can have beutiful graphics as well as depth to the gameplay.