As I said, I guess we differ in what we enjoy, because while I don't think it's a finished product (and no MMO is at release, otherwise there wouldn't be room for additional content), I feel that it's a great raw product with a couple of inconveniences when it comes to the UI. *shrugs* Even the lack of AH is becoming less of an issue lately. Danielle and I are making a significant amount of gear now. I'm making needles, pickaxes, hammers, daggers, earrings, rings, chokers, wristlets and probably could make a lot more with a couple of extra materials. She's making gloves, hats, scarves, tights, pants, boots, belts, etc. Between us, we could outfit a full linkshell for a very low cost indeed! All this and we've barely spent a penny. If there was an AH, we probably wouldn't have got as into crafting as we have.