Meh, both the move and kinect seem like glorious wastes of money to me. I doubt there's going to be any game released for motion control that will rival games like God of War III and such, and I'd wager that even the best games that use motion control would/could be better with a regular pad (eg. Killzone 3).
Pointing to aim is superior to using a control stick to aim.Originally Posted by eternal essence
If that was true, I think we'd have seen a lot more lightgun games.
That has been the argument for PC purists ever since Goldeneye.
Not when you have to move a character as well.Pointing to aim is superior to using a control stick to aim.
Seems like a great piece of technology, although I am not even slightly interested in it for video games. Maybe that'll change, but I doubt it... even if I wanted to, I haven't the space, and my walls are too thin.
Every time I think of the Kinect campaign, one voice comes to my head: The AVGN shouting "Fire! Fire! Fire!"
Doesn't work without crosshairs on the screen. A pointer and control stick is about the closest thing consoles get to a keyboard and mouse.
I'm sorry, Iceglow, but I find it ironic that you accuse me of "blowing up into a storm" when you've just given us your multi-page, lone defense of Kinect in this thread. Not to mention you gave us a multi-page nonsensical tirade against Gran Turismo in our buying guide thread a few days ago, just at the mention of someone bringing it up as something they're waiting for, that eventually unpredictably devolved into your completely off-topic, irrelevant anger at the lack of awareness of the Yellow Light of Death. And how can you accuse me of not being "the least impartial" - I posted a thread about the Kinect reviews once they began surfacing, and they were indeed, not good. If anything, the content of my post merely reiterates what the reviews were saying. And again, I've never said anything as clearly erroneous as when you claimed to have scientific proof from your store that PS3's YLOD as often as 360's RROD (some display cabinet you guys put them in?.
Also, about only needing 5ft of space between you and the sensor, I'd much rather believe professional reviewers than your opinion. I'm sorry if that's unfair.
Other than, of course, actual Keyboard & Mouse support for games like UTIIIDoesn't work without crosshairs on the screen. A pointer and control stick is about the closest thing consoles get to a keyboard and mouse.
As far as the whole using a wand in shooters thing, it seems like a good analogy, but it still doesn't come close. So far every game I played treats aiming like in railshooters - you move the crosshair around the screen, but when it gets to the edges, you start to turn. It just doesn't work that great in practice because a mouse, much like an analog stick, is always keeping the crosshairs in the center of the screen.
I used the move with MAG and Killzone 3 so far and while they seem like a cool alternative for subsequent playthroughs (or to use every now and then for an online-only game like MAG), it's just not as great as a controller. Especially in MAG where you want to jump on top of and across crates to get a good sniping spot - it's just way too hard to get that precise platforming with motion.
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Motion control was pretty good in the Wii version of Tomb Raider: Anniversary. Other than that, it was okay. Not bad, but not great.
8-10 feet will not do. We live in a mobile home and the futon is about two feet away from the TV. If the futon were to poof, we might have five feet.
I am not surprised that the initial run of the Xbox 360 Kinect is receiving unpleasant reviews. I think that there is a lot of potential for this type of technology in the future, but we will have to deal with the clunky, awkward phase to get there!
I believe in the power of humanity.
Too bad Sony negates the awesomeness that is Kevin Butler with the horridness that is Marcus PSP.
They say any press is good press. I wonder if that's really true. The Move has been met with almost no fanfare whilst the Kinect has be made into quite the spectacle. However, Kinect is getting ripped on harder. To those moderately informed people in the target demographic, maybe it's possible that they will hear the bad press on the Kinect and go for the Move instead, which hasn't gotten all of the vitriol Kinect has and is more Wii-like so as to be comfortable. On the flip side, Kinect is new and exciting.
I really wonder how it's going to play out. I just know that I'd rather get the motion controller that didn't have a big to do, but also didn't have a pile of s**t from the reviewers. The worst I've heard about the Move so far is that the launch library sucks. Same for the Kinect, but almost all reviewers I've heard have at least said the tech works and works well... they just aren't excited about it.
I still think MS does a better marketing job. PS3 only seems to seriously court the hardcore gamers even though they try to push the idea the the PS3 only "does everything." It still feels like it's not as accessible to non-gamers. Meanwhile, those core gamers are already playing all of their online games on the 360 and MS is courting the Wii's demographic.
Interesting...
I think if Microsoft really wants to target the casual Wii audience, they need to sell the 360 Kinect bundle for less than the $300 they're asking now. A Wii is only $200.
What's wrong with Marcus and so they really went out with it coming out this year? I remember the press conference, but I was feeling that that might've changed as I felt it was too early for something like that.
Why would it be too early?
When I first saw of it this year I was thinking that the technology wasn't probably ready for this day and age. Firstly because I thought was too ambitious and expected something like that to not have come out several years later when it could be efficient and innovative, but based on these results it seems like it was still in a testing phase. It seems like a bad idea to release something with so many flaws. I know they had to be aware of some of them and with time someone could have found how to fix those problems and make it all around better.
My second reason is because of the current economic state of the country. I just don't see too many buying it because of that reason.
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